• Shinanigans

Quick question:

Does anyone run a macro for their shock rotation? If so, how do you have it configured?

Thanks.

 

Killme888

Pretty sure they think it's 9% dodge vs 73 mobs, that's 36 expertise required to hit 0, but rogues have 10 expertise through talent, so 26.

26 * 3.94 = 102.44 aka 103.

So we just need to find out if it's 9% dodge or 5.6%. I can see why it could be 9% though, pre-BC miss rate vs 73 using 2H was also 5.6%, but it's been changed and now it's 9%.

 

Ardonomus

Have you tried the T6 in a raid and checked the difference from earlier raids? I mean a DPS difference of 53 is quite a lot and this could be the simulator calculating the 4p bonus in a wierd way? I just dont see how a 70AP bonus can boost your DPS by 53 by itself.

 

Paradox

I havn't tried it in a raid yet but I don't exactly keep track of my exact DPS on each boss, and even then it can vary quite a lot week to week.

Edit: Was also wondering how long a Fire Elemental is useful for until it's DPS is less than that of a searing totem? Anyone have an amount of time until it's mana gets fully drained or anything? Is it even better to drop if you have the CD up than a searing?

 

vindicated

Just wanted to quickly check this. Would this be correct - just wondering for my personal use.
Shard of Contempt 206.28 EP = ( (44 * ExpertiseRating) + ( 230 * 20 * 0.9 / 60) )

Assuming ExpertiseRating = 3.12 (Tier 6 Value) and .9PPM

 

Yasuhiko

12:45 AM math has never been my specialty.....
I was going to say something, but after looking over my math, I somehow found out I was wrong, but don't quite believe myself.

I'm going to go back to theorizing on FT in arenas (which I believe is not as weak in PvP gear as it is in PvE gear becuase WF is more stat-scalar. Yeah, forget his post is here, carry on gents.)

 

Hawkawkarl

There used to be a section in the opening post the gave some target numbers for what a shaman should have to start raiding 25mans. I think it was 1200ap and some number of crit. Has there been any discussion on what a shaman should have by the time they move to the next tier of rairdng.

ie You should have 1400ap/27% crit before walking TK/SSC and 1550ap/29% crit when walking into BT/MtH? Those numbers are abritrary but the concept is, what numbers should you have after rolling on the expected gear from a given tier of raiding.

Any thoughts to bring that back and expand on it?

edit: grammer/spelling

 

Rhaegal

Pretty sure this point doesn't exist. Fire elementals seem to have a passive AoE Fire Shield that even against one target does more damage than a Searing Totem. Either that or it's an autoattack that he has that registers as a fire shield on my screen for some reason. Either way, its non-mana-based damage is greater than that of a Searing Totem, and they regen mana fairly quickly while they're just hitting passively.

Stand back! I'm going to try SCIENCE!

 

Pitbuller

Some time ago we was talking stormstrike mechanich and how unique it is. There was some theory that SS is three phase spell. I was playing with my org gear([The Bladefist] + [Bulwark of Azzinoth]) and used SS to critter. Result was very odd there was single SS hit + 3 * flametongue totem proc. I tested also SS with DW and there was three procs too. Then I invited retri paladin and warrior to my group and we tested and tested. Whirlwind only procced one time. Seal of command procced it twice but there was little messy combat log results. Would it been that only SS is buggin with flametongue totem or is there big problem coming when 2.4 arrive and flame tongue totem got also ms effect. If anyone have spare time can you redo my SS test or explain me why SS is so bugged with this totem and other isntants arent.

Slow, slower, shaman weapon.

 

Paradox

Ok, in an effort to get to the bottom of this I started doing it allover again and checking things, DPS with offset turned out the same, then I did the T6 again and I got a DPS of 1382 (2-3 dps less than offset). I guess it was some kind of bug I had yesterday showing it giving about 50 more DPS with T6? Still.. makes me consider wearing T6 since it looks much nicer, for a 2-3 dps loss..

Thanks!

 

Mox

Is this on live? Just (right now) tested it on PTR and got this:

Stormstrike with FT Totem

MH SS
FT Proc - From totem
OH SS
FT Proc - From totem

[e] Confirmed 3 procs if you use FT totem + FT wep buff on OH.

FT Totem + FT buff

MH SS
FT Proc (from totem) - 43 dmg
OH SS
FT Proc (from totem) - 43 dmg
FT Proc (from OH buff) - 176 dmg

I guess the real (bug?) question here is why does the OH hit from stormstrike proc a MH wep imbue.

[e2] Just been playing around with different combos like FT totem + OH WF and stuff like that, and was able to get:

MH SS
FT Proc - from totem
OH SS
FT Proc - from totem
FT Proc - from totem

Using FT totem + OH WF. So yeah I'd say thats pretty conclusion that its very bugged!

FT and WF

It must be crazily bugged because the FT totem procs do not apply the healing debuff at all currently, even when they proc from a normal attack.

 

Beowolf

It probably has to do with the fact that Stormstrike hit/miss/dodge/parry calculation affects the offhand as well. When you use SS and it misses, is dodged or parried, you wont get the second hit of the special. So essentially in this case, the FT Totem enchanting your MH gives your OH SS attack the enchant as well.

 

Dahri

I had a question regarding Yo's simulator. It currently doesn't work on OS X as far as I can tell. I had to reboot into Vista in order to use it.

This led me to wonder if the source code to the simulator has been made available at all. If so, I would be interested in writing a port of the simulator (as a native application on OS X).

While I could start from scratch when building a new simulator, I'd rather build on work that has already been done, so that I don't fall into any mathematical traps when coding my own.

 

◊ Malan

Its java, there is nothing to "port" as it is a multiplatform language. The problem is that OS X Leopard is not compatible with Java 6 yet.

Vyktianity already has over 75 billion followers. The first verse in his book "Gift of the Wild" is "In the beginning Vyk cast lifebloom and then maul."

 

Dahri

I'm aware of that. The lack of Java 6 on Leopard is why I was interested in coding a simulator in Objective-C. If Java 6 is going to be available soon, though, maybe it doesn't matter.

 

Wundorn

Java 6 will come "eventually" but who knows when?

In the meantime, it would probably be much more efficient to modify the Java to run in 10.5.

 

Imperator

Ok, I know we're not supposed to do this, and normally I never would, but I'm just totally baffled at this point. I've followed this thread religiously to help me pick gear and determine what I do in my raid. However, I've been really doubting myself lately.

We don't always do this, but several times our raid will run 2 enhancement shamans. We couldn't be more different. I love the guy, but he's an "old school" shaman. He believes in wearing all mail and going for the set pieces. I'm totally down with that. Still, I'm picking leather DPS gear, using disqo dice, enhancer, etc. and he's still beating me on DPS in raids. What makes it worse? He's in the tank group getting at most a druid and a hunter buff and I'm in the melee group getting hunter, warrior, retadin, druid, etc. buffs. Hell, I think he constantly runs with Insane Stength potion instead of Relentless Flask.

There's a lot different between us. . .gear, group buffs, I'm twisting and he's not, etc. but I still don't see how I'm lower than him. I'm working my ass off and he's still out-dpsing me. It's seriously mind boggling. I don't know whether it's because other people in the raid aren't applying certain buffs, or what, but I should be at least a few hundred DPS over this guy, right? Hell, I'm even using Drums, Haste Pots, everything under the sun and it ain't helping. I've worked at spreading my stats out except for armor pen which I've tried to stack.

Anyway, this link will take you to our raid's WWS reports. We had some pretty messed up attempts with tanks dying and whatnot and we were short healers, but you can look at other dates to see other raids and whatnot. Karshie is our other Enhance Shaman and the report I'm linking should be Teron/4 bosses from Hyjal, but feel free to look at them all. At this point I'm just plain lost and looking for some help. I've played out Yo's sim over and over and I'm still stumped.

Thanks in advance for any help you guys can give.

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vingumminr9

Ive been wondering a bit about how many EP the 3% increased crit dmg from [Relentless Earthstorm Diamond]
is worth at my state (5/6 ssc - 2/4 tk ..soon 3/4 :P) and just in general
got 1600ap & 32% crit unbuffed atm, 133 hit rating, and 329 Ignore armor,

 

Illundai

I glanced over the WWS a bit and concluded that it's very hard to judge from that parse as in a lot of attempts either you or him died early or whatever else random. What I did notice that he had a better shock rotation than you, you have too much FS uptime compared to your ES. Don't you overwrite FS debuffs with eachother? I also noticed in your Anetheron kill that he had a lot more Rallying Cry - Spells - World of Warcraft gains than you. That could explain the difference.

Then I looked at the Armory. It's very likely that the reason he's doing more DPS than you is that he is using the 4 piece Cataclysm bonus. Don't take me on my word for it, but I'm pretty sure that'll make him do more DPS than you until you get further into the content. You're also sporting quite a lot of -Armor which at your point of progression isn't very hot yet.

Again, don't take my word for the above. I can't back it up with any math, but I seem to recall the 5% more haste on Flurry being a significant buff.
And don't forget. Shaman DPS can vary a lot.

 

Imperator

Yeah, when I'm twisting I can't keep the normal FS/ES/FS roatation. So often times I just have to reapply FS.

These are all our WWS reports, maybe you can see something better from these. I do agree that the T5 4 pc set bonus is pretty wicked. Still don't know whether it should be keeping him that high on his DPS tho.


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Xiongmao

Just going with the Teron WWS parse:

For group composition, both of you received battle shout, and LoTP. The retribution paladin gives both of you 3% more crit and gives you 2% more damage, which relative to other buffs is not that major. Not sure about hunter, but I do not see Ferocious Inspiration, and I am not sure if TSA would show up on buff/debuffs in WWS. Thus in that particular encounter you both had similar buffs.

For totem twisting, you will actually see a lower shocks/minute than Karshie. Not 100% sure if the extra crit gained for 90% of the time makes up for this. Totem twisting is primarily to increase your group's total dps.

Teron is a short enough fight that RNG factors come into play, for example I have had parses with 50% crit rate on white attacks and 25% crit rate on Stormstrike, or some ridiculous miss% on my specials. In your WWS, while both your hit is similar, he had 5% less missed white attacks and 1% less missed WF attacks.

While you did less damage than he did, your dps was actually higher than his. Looking at both your DPS times, you have a 75% dps time, and he has a 97% dps time. The way WWS works, if you were to anhk after finishing your ghosts your dps would actually drop quite a bit.

These are just some things to note if you are trying to compare your DPS with him via WWS. Enhancement shaman dps is not very stable from week to week, especially with the short duration of "good" parse fights in Hyjal/BT. If Yo's simulator shows that you should be doing 200 more dps than him (there is an option for 4 piece t5 by the way, make sure to select that) and you consistently perform on or below par with him, it might be a playstyle issue. Simple things like hitting all cooldowns as soon as they are up GCD allowing; aggressiveness, running back in a couple ticks before Death and Decay finishes to do more dps; attentiveness, hell after a long week, there's been times the boss has been shifted and it takes me 5+ seconds to notice I am out of meelee range, etc. You say that you guys don't always have 2 enhancement shamans in the raid, thus it can be hard to compare your dps to his without a greater sample size.