Yasuhiko

2) Substituting the paladin for an Arms or Fury warrior would have upped the DPS tremendously.
A non-ret paladin in a melee DPS group is the wrong choice, period. Only sanctity aura provides some benfit, and the real reason you stick a ret-pally in you group is for WF totem.

 

Ardonomus

I wasn't entirely happy with my DPS when I was twisting and screwing up my shock rotation, what I did was try to not twist for a while and see how my personal DPS altered. I went up about 400DPS on Teron (mainly due to an absolute horrid spam of earth shock when twisting compared to a FS\ES rotation). Though it might be worth checking your DPS against his when you play more like him and dont twist.

 

Kombinat

I ask the more learned shaman bretheren to critique this wws parse of my guild's first Morogrim tidewalker kill:Kombinat - WWS

I seek more knowledge in order to do better on subsequent attempts.

I'm twisiting, shocking where possible, delaying Stormstrikes until WF is off cd.

I've asked my guild to critique me, but they've not been able to find fault with my work. Please, help me better serve them.

[e] I got the DST the day after our first kill, so please don't assume I had it then.

 

Mox

I can't see anything that stands out with the WWS - Dont know what you want exactly.

Does seem you are keeping GoA down for longer than it should be? Depends what rotation you use for twisting but generally twisting AND waiting to use SS doesn't work that well, you end up with either delaying twisting (WF drops off of party) or delaying SS to after twisting and wasting even more time.

 

Pitbuller

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There is screenshot. One SS and three flametongue procs.

EDIT: actually its only 2 per SS

Slow, slower, shaman weapon.

 

Atren

Would not best be to use SS + Stop attack macro for testing it? Or does autoattack slip into it then too?

 

Xoya

Edit: ugh, I'm dumb, I had my trinkets misordered. DST had 25% uptime and BT trinket had 47%. Ignore me! Yo's sim is fine!

 

McCloude

I apologize if this is redundant and already covered somewhere in these forums. I've spent the last hour or so trying to find it and haven't seen a thing. If this is in fact covered somewhere, please PM me and delete the post to reduce spam.



I was raiding last night. put in a tank group because they were having threat issues. This tank proceeded to explain the above to me and decided WF totem was a waste for him. I've never seen this anywhere on this Holy Grail to our spec. I'm checking with you before I say anything about it. I'm 99% certain what he says is false.

Sorry again if it's been covered, Thankyou.

 

• Sebudai

It sounds like that guy is a dipshit, but I can't really tell what he's even saying WF supposedly does.

 

◊ Binkenstein

I think he's saying that only two people can proc windfury off the totem at any one time.

Which is incorrect.

WF in the tank group is for threat or rage issues for warriors.

<Sporks> quote of the day: "it's like the vague leading the blind directing the clueless guiding the stupid around here"
Yahtzee In short, no. In long, noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Nite_Moogle The correct answer here is to blame Asgorath.
Nemesis This is the BB, temporal constraints are for lesser forums.

 

Amagnus

I'm having an issue with my guild's raid policy where I'm not being allowed to have top priority for rolling on leather items. The current policy is that top priority goes to those classes whose best (in terms of protection) armor is what is being rolled for. So in my case, rogues have priority over me for leather items despite those items being significant upgrades to my dps.

I've tried explaining the concepts in this thread, particularly those dealing with emphasizing dps on gear without consideration of armor type. I questioned this initially but it obviously makes sense that armor doesn't come into play 99% of the time and only when we take too much threat (a mistake) or the tank is down (in which case we're going to wipe most the time anyway). Sure there's the occasional fight where the threat table comes into play for the occasional attack but I've committed (mentally as well as badges and lots of gold) to the concept of maximizing dps as the only deciding factor in gear selection.

How have others dealt with this type of policy? Any recommendations on what can be said to the officers in question to get them to understand this point?

This is very frustrating as I like the guild a lot, we're starting to get into 25-mans, but to me this is a deciding factor. I don't see the point in staying with a raiding guild if they don't both understand this concept and have a loot policy that is consistent with it. Am I off base here?

Thanks.

 

Areus

It is your own guilds perogative about what gear you can take. Yes you are melee. But while leather is the best for you, you do have the option to wear hunter mail. Some of which is not terrible.

In my guild, I just used primarily mail items until we finally finished all progression content. Because for progression I personally believe a rogue will get a lot more use out of a leather item than I will. Now that we are done with progression for the time being, I am picking up leather gear pissing off our newer rogues... Its all about how your guild treats you and how you want to play your role within the raid.

If your own personal DPS isnt terrible to begin with then does it really matter where the Armor piece goes as long as that person is an active raider? At least, thats my view on it.

@McCloud - Your tank is full of shit. WF totem can proc for anyone in the group whenever, as long as they have the imbue applied.

 

◊ Binkenstein

It comes back to what we've been discussing in the elemental thread.

If you're likely to pick up an upgrade that's fairly close to "best in slot" that you'll be able to use and the rogues won't, grab that rather than going for the leather item (unless none of the rogues are after it). More upgrades for everyone, and you don't piss people off.

<Sporks> quote of the day: "it's like the vague leading the blind directing the clueless guiding the stupid around here"
Yahtzee In short, no. In long, noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Nite_Moogle The correct answer here is to blame Asgorath.
Nemesis This is the BB, temporal constraints are for lesser forums.

 

muSashiSF

I'm top 1-3 dps in my guild so I take what is best for me, and for the most part that is leather, why should I feel sorry for the rogues? I have the same right to take an item if its an upgrade for me. I mean I make the tier 6 people happy cause I dont take tier 6 items, why shouldnt I be allowed to take what's best in slot for me? That's just stupid especially when I have a perfect attendance and I do very high dps compared to many other people in the guild.

If my guild treated me like that Amagnus I would try to find a new home. Cause then an enhancement shaman should never take an upgrade cause the most gear current ingame are "rogue and hunter loot". It's your time man, your DKP.

 

Myul

As i had proven a few pages back, best in slot leather/mail vs 5/5 full mail is only a 5% dps upgrade.

What's your state of progression? Do you think you can reach illidan in time and every rogue can get a tier 6 chest? If not, don't grab. It's not worth the guild drama. You rogues can get nothing else and their only job is dealing damage. If your hybrid support chars like enhance shaman, elemental shaman, feral cats or shadow priests beat your main damage dealer on meters, it might be skill... but it might be true, that you grabbed all the gear on the road. I was allways en par or on top of our melees, but with the better gear of everyone i'm now in the top 10 at last. And that's the way it should be. Every main damage dealer behind us should be dead or occupied with something else.

I have knewn that we reach illidan in time and our rogues will throw away all pieces immideately after they get their hands on tier 6. So i didn't worry and got my few leather pieces i want.
But, let them get their bracer/boots/waist first was for us the better advice, i used the badges and later mail stuff until noone else really needed it.

Amangus is in early tier 5/late tier 4 i guess, so taking two pieces tier 4 and all the karazhan loot he desire shouldn't be a problem. Adding season 3 chest/head and you have a very decent starting gear.

Links:
-Gear-
Leather
Tier 6 Mail
Mail
Early T5
-Difference-
<3 search this thread

 

Mkael

Well hard to say what he is getting at, I believe the 2ppl reference is about the group setup (otherwise it doesnt make any sense at all) 2 tanks, lock, pala and somethine else most likely so he believes the WF is a waste since only the tanks get it. However since the RL put you in the tank group for Threat I dont see why he is arguing with you, no other totem provide it in the same amount.

 

punkrockrobot

Lets talk Hit. Is there a Hit Cap?
I have like 206 now is that too much?

I just got my 1st t5 item (the shoulders), but from the looks of all t5 items they completely suck. I have the ZA Shoulders that drop from the bear. My second question is should I even use t5? Seems like it would gimp my dps

 

Myul

26.5% or 28% is needed to not miss while dual wielding (depends on who you ask ).

26.5%-9% (talents) = 17.5%

17.5*15.8=276.5 hit rating to maximise your hit.

Or 19*15.8=300.2 hit rating required.

So don't worry, without stacking for it (using hittrinkets and gems) you won't ever reach the cap.

4 piece t5 is very strong, but if you can get your hands on ZA loot and all the random pieces around in tier 5 instances, you shouldn't worry about it.

 

Aksing

/golfclap at even bothering to read the OP

For you to not have T6 and have that much hit sounds like you've either gemmed for some, or have chosen pieces specifically for their hit rating. And no i cba to look at your armoury page.

The T5 enhancement set doesn't suck at all. It's actually pretty damn good, and the difference between T5 > T6 isn't as big as you may think, especially when they put mp5 on it >.>

 

rava

That's not really true. Your hit decreases from most of your gear as you progress further into content, it's just made up randomly by huge chunks on specific pieces. Remembering back I had quite a bit more hit than I do/did simply because it was included on almost every piece of dungeon gear.

T5 shoulders are also quite terrible, but the rest of the set isn't bad.

I'll have a croque monsieur, a paella, two mutton pills, and a stein of mead.

 

poofypajamas

I have seen several people make comments on delaying stormstrike for the windfury cooldown. If there is a mod you are using to track the WF CD could you please share it?

 

Hornbreakerz

Sorry, but i really cba to look through a hundred pages to see if someone has already posted this...

But is there any Meta value for Relentless Earthstorm Diamond to put in Loot Rank?


Edit: Oh.. and Poofypajamas, i use Enhancer to do that, it's available through Ace, so download the thing called Aceupdater, u can get it there and also use it to update most of ur addons

 

Rhaegal

I don't know if this helps, but I'll tell you what I told my guild about this. I've done my research on gear; before I even step foot in an instance, I know what every boss in it drops, what items are upgrades, what items are the best on the list of upgrades, and what I might be able to get elsewhere that would be as good or better. I don't roll/bid on items that I'm not 100% sure I want. As an enhancement shaman, I will always be competing with either rogues or hunters. Period. It's (generally speaking) one or the other for each individual item. I can either compete with rogues for the items that are better, or I can compete with hunters for gear that might be best in slot for them, but I will most likely vendor in a week or two once the rogues have the item I really want.

Since then, I generally pass hunter gear to hunters unless there's none present or the item is best-in-slot for me as well, and compete on leather, instead of the other way around. It results in less wasted gear, less enchanting/gemming costs on my part, and ultimately better guild DPS. Your guild just has to trust that you know best when it comes to your gear. It's generally accepted in my guild that I know itemization better than Blizzard seems to, so it's not really a problem for us.

Stand back! I'm going to try SCIENCE!

 

Rhaegal

I use Enhancer. There are links for it floating around this thread, or you can get it from wowace.com I think. It does a lot of other handy things, like remind me when water shield isn't up, too.



Also, I cba to answer a question that you could easily find the answer to by using the "Search this thread" feature.

Stand back! I'm going to try SCIENCE!

 

Hornbreakerz

Oh yeah, forgot that i can use that! Thanks for reminding me

Btw, for Enhancer.. it also reminds u when ur shields has run out and when ur weapons buffs run out aswell! It's really nice!