Ardonomus

I'm stunned. Honestly, I'm speechless.

I'd say windfury totem though, and recommend you to read the original post. I never thought I'd read that.

 

Dombrovo

Hey I was wondering if someone could explain how the EP of weapons, 9.03 MH and 3.7 OH, scales with their speed. For example I read on these forums that the EP of above is tuned for 2.60 speed weapons. I have also read that for different speed weapons, i.e 2.50 speed badge weapons and 2.80 speed Syphon, have varying EP values placed on DPS. So by what percentage the EP is reduced or increased in comparison to weapon speed.
Thank you in advance!

 

Mindrila

Thank you for the tipps for Archimonde, I will talk to my raidleader and hopefully get into the meleegroup.

And Fluwell if you can't put down a wf totem the rogue should use his poisons (instantpoison on MH and deadly poison on offhand was what I saw just glancing at the Roguecraft 101 thread) I think.

 

Fluweel

Sorry for my english I'm french, I reformulate my question :

My feral druid have a low aggro and in certain situations I help with a goa totem. I don't like twisting therefore what is the best ? Flame tongue totem or self buff for combat rogue ?

Fluweel.

 

Grung

I am gearing up a shaman to be ready to raid as soon as possible.

But i want to know what EP values people are assigning to INT and STA.

Im guessing i will be using the middle Raid EP values for gearing up, and then calculating my own values when i have the gear.

Any advise on what values to use for INT and STA ?

 

Leonina

0 for DPS.

 

Rhaegal

Zero. Int and stamina have no effect whatsoever on DPS. Maybe some marginal amount of spell crit for shocks (lol), and technically a dead shaman can't do any damage, but you'll never have mana problems and you should never be worried about dying except on very specific fights. Without looking at my gear, I'm pretty sure I only have one item (a set hat) that even has int on it. Int and stam are worth zero DPS. Don't gear for them.

Stand back! I'm going to try SCIENCE!

 

Grung

I know they are worth 0 as dps.

i was just wondering if anyone gearing up gave them a value like 0.1 EP or something, since when i start to raid i will jump right into BT, where stamina would mean a little on some fights.

 

◊ Malan

Grung, how would you propose that we relate Stamina to Attack Power? (because that's what an EP is)

Vyktianity already has over 75 billion followers. The first verse in his book "Gift of the Wild" is "In the beginning Vyk cast lifebloom and then maul."

 

Kirion

Poisons are better.

42.

 

Grung

If you would trade 1AP for 15000 Extra HP, then stamina has some value to you. The question is just how much the value is.

But i got the point that you don't value stamina, and i would also like to hear if anyone actually do value it at some low value.

 

◊ Malan

Yes, we all value stam at some low value.

That value is zero.

Come on, seriously think this out on your own. If you had 10 slots of gear with no stamina on it and you could survive every fight, that would be perfect. If you need 10k HP for a fight, then wear 10k HP and take it off afterward. Its your and your raid's preference and I really question why anyone needs to keep asking about this.

Vyktianity already has over 75 billion followers. The first verse in his book "Gift of the Wild" is "In the beginning Vyk cast lifebloom and then maul."

 

Grung

You should go edit the front page post then, where you write

"Note that values are not assigned here to Stamina or Intellect; these stats do carry some value for raiding enhancement shamans, but any assignment of value to them would be arbitrary and is for each individual shaman to decide on her own."

 

Myul

Don't get me wrong, i was only answering on the question about the best gear avaible. You are right, that leather is much stronger on the t4 progression state. But i really dislike wearing 110% damage 0% stats items. Al'ar, Voidreaver, Solarion, Vashj, Leotheras, Lurker - do you really want to fight them with ~ 8.000 hp buffed?

Value of stamina: 0 is you have enough and feel comfortable and y if you want to reach point x.

 

◊ Malan

Or, everyone could put on their thinking caps and figure that out for themselves. This isn't a primer on how to play the game, its an explanation of the mechanics behind Enhancement Shaman. Stamina has zero value to anyone who isn't the tank, this isn't new and this isn't rocket science.

Vyktianity already has over 75 billion followers. The first verse in his book "Gift of the Wild" is "In the beginning Vyk cast lifebloom and then maul."

 

Rhaegal

If it makes you feel better, give it a non-zero value of ~0.0000000000001. That should be low enough that you'll never trade a DPS stat for it, but will take an item with identical stats but more stamina compared to what you have. Of course, I would call that common sense, but to each his own.

Stand back! I'm going to try SCIENCE!

 

◊ Shalas

Decide how much health you need to live through a fight. Equip the items with the highest EP values that give you that much health. If you can live through fights without difficulty, the value of stamina is zero. If you can't, the value of stamina is so incredibly high that it outweighs anything else you could get on your items. How much health you need to survive depends on so many factors (such as personal skill, healer skill, number of healers, strategy used for specific fights, etc.) that assigning a generalized number really isn't useful.

 

Shakkha

did someone link this thread to public board again today :s

Like other said Sta and Int have 0ep value. Which reflects their value in gearing up. If you want to put more sta in order to survive, you are sacrificating dps, this is showed by the loss of EP from gear change since you're now getting stats like Sta which contribute to 0 ep, so by doing so you decrese your dps potential.

I think it's kinda obvious.

Waiting for the 'what's the cap on hit rating' question to come now.

 

◊ Malan

Hang on a sec. You just quoted exactly what the OP says. What the hell are you saying I need to edit? It clearly states that Stamina and Int have arbitrary values that YOU need to decide on your own.

Vyktianity already has over 75 billion followers. The first verse in his book "Gift of the Wild" is "In the beginning Vyk cast lifebloom and then maul."

 

• Toots Hepcat

Giving int and stamina a stat weight is pretty silly for anybody who isn't a tank or leveling solo. You're bound to get some pretty ridiculous selections that won't help your DPS in the long run.

Get the gear that has the DPS stats, and if you need more health: gem for it, chant for it, pot for it, eat stam food and be done with it. Then as you add gear that naturally has more stamina, you can slowly strip off the training wheels.

You're obviously in a rush. Why gear up twice?

Elixir of Fortification: 500 Health
Talbuk Steak: 200 Health
Fortitude to Boots: 120 Health
Fortitude to Bracers: 120 Health
Health to Chest: 150 Health
Nethercleft Leg Armor: 400 Health
Glyph of the Gladiator: 180 Health

 

Khaz

Could someone please post rough EP values for metagems if possible? I'm using Pawn to calculate EP values for items, but headpieces with metagems get skewed values because I have no idea on what value to use for meta gems.

I'm most interested in the EP value for an [Relentless Earthstorm Diamond] really, so if someone could post a EP value even for this one meta gem I'd be most pleased.

 

• Toots Hepcat

1) This was just discussed exactly ONE PAGE AGO, and about every fifth page before that, learn to search.
2) It depends on your stats.
3) You could easily simulate it. It would take about 5 minutes.
4) 70 EP is the value somebody came up with. It closely matches my own.

 

Khaz

Thanks. Forum is being slow to load, and not knowing exactly what page its on without searching (the search doesnt seem to be working for me either) made it a lot easier to just ask at the end of the entire thread.

Updating the First post with the information underneath the metagem section might be a good idea, as then I wouldnt have needed to ask the question.

 

• Toots Hepcat

I was wondering if the order of on-action proc operations was deterministic, and more importantly whether procs resulting in damage were evaluated before or after procs that could potentially augment them.

For example, I have a swing that crits, proccing the Hourglass, Unleashed Rage and Windfury. Will Windfury get the benefit of the additional AP? Will the swing that crit get these benefits?

If a shock procs the Skyshatter totem, does that shock receive an extra 33 bonus damage?

 

Rhaegal

The swing that crit will not get the effects of the bonuses that came off of it, only events that happen after. Similarly, the shock that procs Stonebreaker (if that's the one you meant?) won't get the bonus spell damage from AP.

I'm not entirely sure about the Windfury hits that come from a WF proc on that swing. My guess is that they do, as the WF proc event technically occurs after the swing, but then again so do the UR and Rage of the Unraveller procs.

Stand back! I'm going to try SCIENCE!