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Old 11/06/07, 6:38 PM   #4576
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I'm headed to DM to test out all of the combos(+talon), will be a while for results as there are many to test!

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Old 11/06/07, 6:38 PM   #4577
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According to my model, Talon MH results in 10 dps less than RT MH /Syphon OH, which is again in the 1% range. Same as pretty much every permutation of these weapons.


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Old 11/06/07, 7:39 PM   #4578
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Like I said, those are my results using Yo!'s sim, maybe it doesn't model the differences in weapon stats properly. Seems it would be fairly easy for someone else to do the same and report their findings.

I'd been using Dragonstrike for several months prior to the talon and can't say I see any difference good or bad in game. There's so much variation in enhancement DPS, I'd have a hard time believing anyone who claims they can tell the difference between any of the decent weapon choices. Without thousands of hours of controlled in game testing to back up their claims anyway.

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Old 11/06/07, 9:36 PM   #4579
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Quick question for the gurus. I just recently replaced one of my weapons, and seeing how patch 2.3 comes out next week, I'm wanted to find out if there is an offhand proc penalty before I enchant my new offhand weapon with Mongoose. If there is essentially no difference in ppm from either hand with same speed weapons, I'll save my 400 gold and get an executioner next week. Just want to know if I should bite the bullet for now :P

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Old 11/06/07, 10:27 PM   #4580
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Old 11/06/07, 10:48 PM   #4581
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So it wont matter what hand has executioner enchant on it. Good to know

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Old 11/07/07, 1:00 AM   #4582
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News for Orcs:

2.3 will now grant 5 expertise (not expertise rating) with axes and 2H axes only.

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Old 11/07/07, 2:17 AM   #4583
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That's 1.25% dodge and parry reduction, so it should definitely be worth pursuing axes.

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Old 11/07/07, 2:24 AM   #4584
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Upto now expertise been universal, so question is are weapon specific expertise for racials only or will the equipment get them as well? Can anyone on ptr check Vashj belt for example?

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Old 11/07/07, 3:06 AM   #4585
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Originally Posted by Atren View Post
Upto now expertise been universal, so question is are weapon specific expertise for racials only or will the equipment get them as well? Can anyone on ptr check Vashj belt for example?
vashj belt is normal weapon expertise, not tied to one weapon type


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Old 11/07/07, 3:53 AM   #4586
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Originally Posted by Tornhoof View Post
vashj belt is normal weapon expertise, not tied to one weapon type
Just to make sure there is no misunderstanding: I know it so far been not tied, but with this push they added weapon specific expertise to racials so i am kinda curious if they changed the items again? Or you already checked after the push?

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Old 11/07/07, 5:20 AM   #4587
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Concerning Executioner enchant, if it really is on same proc rate as mongoose could not we do comparison assuming 100% uptime for comparison? Reasoning for that is if it is same proc rate then we can assume same uptime on average and since we only interested which of enchants better we can up them both to 100% without skewing for one or other enchant. Easiest way to do that would be add their effects as constant in simulator. Is there some flaw or can be done?

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Old 11/07/07, 7:51 AM   #4588
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Originally Posted by Atren View Post
Concerning Executioner enchant, if it really is on same proc rate as mongoose could not we do comparison assuming 100% uptime for comparison? Reasoning for that is if it is same proc rate then we can assume same uptime on average and since we only interested which of enchants better we can up them both to 100% without skewing for one or other enchant. Easiest way to do that would be add their effects as constant in simulator. Is there some flaw or can be done?
The obvious flaw is that mongoose stacks, but executioner does not.
you would underrate mongoose but overrate executioner with that. Executioner will be modelled properly soon enough
The whole idea about comparing enchants is to model proc behaviour.


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Old 11/07/07, 9:01 AM   #4589
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One of the guys in the Executioner vs Mongoose thread opened a thread on the WoW boards asking for CM response about the Exeuctioner stacking issue, hopefully we'll get a response.

I see that we're back to Orcs and Axes being paired again, I love the flip flopping going on lately.

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Old 11/07/07, 9:32 AM   #4590
Atren
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I was thinking more in line of single enchant comparison. Like if no enchant on other weapon which would show it individual worth.

As it stands other weapon will definetly be mongoose if dont stack, question is what should first one be? If we had mongoose simulated as enchant on one weapon and then cycle the effect of mongoose/executioner in stats would that show accurate description for dual mongoose vs combo of executioneer and mongoose? Imo this can be done as long as their proc rate is same and they have no inner cooldowns.

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