Shade of Aran/Solarian data should show this easily.

Solarian, 1% melee dodged.
Void Reaver, 4% melee dodged.

I think elaboration on how to use Yo's would be extremely helpful. The tool itself is pretty straightforward but there are a lot of nuances surrounding buffs, trinkets, and such where it becomes confusing.

I also cannot figure out how to compare the stat impact of gear that I'm considering. For example, it's obviously easy to pull up the paper doll in WoW and see your stats when wearing your current gear. But how do I figure out the impact of swapping my chest piece with one that is a possible upgrade? I presume we have to go through all the math manually, at least that's what I've been doing, to see the impact of adding and subtracting things. Is there an easier way?

I believe a site like warcrafter.net will allow you to pull up your paperdoll and swap in other pieces of gear and then look at the stats.

So you say hit rating is the least important vs AP or crit, but when i use the calculator it ALWAYS shows that i would do more dps with the higher hit rating. Is there some magic number to look for? For example equiping my Kara ring with 25 hit rating and 56 AP vs my SSC ring with 32 strength and 21 agility it calculates a significant dps jump with the kara ring.

I also find it calculates more dps equiping T5 pants vs Void Reaver Greaves and equiping Belt of Deep Shadow vs Valestalker Girdle. It appears that it has very little value for haste.

What have others found comparing gear with hit vs AP or crit on the calculator recently?

BigZ

I bristle every time I see this damn question.

READ THE FIRST POST!

As an aside, the mods here ask that you don't sign your posts. Might want to refrain from it in the future to avoid an infraction.

My current AEP value for hit is 1.65 for crit it is 1.86 and haste has a value of 1.6 (based on my current gear) and well I allready have 19.21% hit (including talents, ~160 hitrating on gear).

And as you see it is not the least important it's only not so important to say "You need x hitrating because else your damage is below the one from the tank"

Probably you have forgotten to put your hit from the talents also into the box? So for example I have to insert 10.21% + 9% = 19.21 % and not 10.21 % as it is shown in the paperdoll. (I made that mistake myself)

If Agility outvalues Crit rating then something is really wrong :P Agility gets EP because it provides Crit rating, and only that. Due to fact 1 Agi produces less than 1 crit rating it will always be a bit less (25 agi for 22.7 crit rating or so i believe out of memory).

Thanks...I did forget about adding the 9% in there. I will add it and rerun the different scenarios.

The more I think about a separate Help Desk style thread, the more I think it may be more beneficial to craft some sort of mini-tutorial on using warcrafter.net in conjunction with Yo's simulator to test gear questions.

Since the answer to so many questions in this mega-thread is simply "Read the OP and use Yo's sim", do you think the tutorial should be included in the first post or should we make a separate thread altogether?

What Atren said. Ag is to crit as str is to AP. They are completely locked against each other. Difference is that str > AP while (it is believed) ag < crit.

Some background(wowwiki):
1% crit per 23.6 crit rating.
-- Looking at Malan's armory profile, the 164 crit rating is said to give 7.43%; 22 crit rating per 1%
1% crit per 25 ag.
-- Armory says 22.2 ag per 1% crit
23 ag with BoK gives a total of 25.3 ag.
-- You need 20.18 ag to get 22.2 ag = 1% crit if armory is correct.
1 crit rating costs the same as 1 ag in the item budget.

Conclusion: Ag(with BoK) is a better stat than crit rating. You get slightly more crit from the item budget.

(Disclaimer: If the data provided by wowwiki is wrong, this is flawed. It may very well be as I find the above odd. )

Some data from OP:

T4:
Agility = 1.74 EP
Crit Rating = 1.97 EP
CR/Ag = 1.1322
-- Odd. Why are they so far apart? They both give crit.

T5:
Agility = 1.8 EP (2 EP with Blessing of Kings)
Crit Rating = 2 EP
CR/Ag = 1 (With Kings? Seems like sloppy numbers)
-- More in line with the above argument.

T6:
Agility = 1.69 EP
Crit Rating = 1.74 EP
CR/Ag = 1.0296
-- Same, but favors crit over ag. This should be false given BoK and the numbers from wowwiki.

So what does this all mean?
1) Armory and wowwiki are not in agreement on crit rating and ag needed for 1% crit.
2) Ag seems to be a better stat than crit rationg when you have BoK. Both armory and wowwiki agree on this(I always thought CR was better)
3) Sample EP values show there are some oddities on CR and ag. They should follow each other like AP/str with a fixed modifier between them.
4) Raut is (possibly) high as a kite but is not aware of this fact.

There is a tutorial for the sim in the OP already, its near the bottom of the article. I don't claim that its all inclusive, but it at least explains what values to input.

This. Crit rating has been tested numerous times, 22.1 rating = 1% Crit. (in this case wowwiki is wrong)
Agility is 25 AGI per 1% crit. Here it can be understood where you went wrong. I'm guessing here that you arrived at your value of 22.2 agi per crit by taking their total crit chance, subtracting the %ge supplied from crit rating and then dividing for total agility. The flaw here being that this doesnt take into account your base crit chance.

Both of the above can be very easily tested in game. Hence we come back to a point where given 221 stat point ( for rounding simplity),
spending them on crit gives 221/22.1 = 10% Crit, spending them on agility without BoK = 221/25 = 8.84% Crit, and spending on agility with kings grants 221*1.1/25 = 243/25 = 9.72% Crit.

Concerning Agi and crit rating. As stated above each class has base value of crit which prevents straight agi calc (i.e crit/agi). You need to add/remove a piece of agility gear and then divide the agi change with crit change.

|(AGInow - AGIbefore)/(CRITnow - CRITbefore)|

Same time however the crit rating to crit can be done with simple division. You can see how much crit the crit rating giving ya and then just divide crit rating sum with crit it is reported to give ya.

Okay, so now that we know PPM mechanics for "New-World" enchants such as mongoose (and, I assume, Shamanistic rage) are readjusted to current weapon speed, we can infer that you'll have a higher chance to get mana back from SS and WF if you SS while flurry is down (instant attacks don't affect PPM rates).

However, this still leaves the question: What's the actual PPM value of SR, and is it high enough that swapping out faster weapons during SR will return greater amounts of mana?

I ask because, with SR's duration being reduced to 15 seconds, the dps loss of switching to faster weapons for such a short time may be justified if the amount of mana returned is greater. I already did the math in an earlier post showing how, if SR is 40 PPM (or greater), it will clearly proc more times with 1.3 speed weapons than with 2.6 speed ones (and the math system used is agreeable with what the above quoted thread establishes).

The reason that ^ seems possible to me is that I have observed greater mana increases with faster weapons, though I haven't got the mods to tell if that's a fact or if I'm delusional. However, we all agree that you get more mana back when DW than when 2H, which is basically just saying that you get more mana back when you hit the target more often (I know this is a gross simplification). Thus, if we hit even *more* often, by using the fastest possible DW weapons during SR, it is assures us of maximum returns on mana. Fastest possible is 1.3 speed weapons, according to WoWhead; from there you'd have to stack haste rating gear in order to get the attacks as fast as possible. Once we know what the PPM value is, we can safely determine what the theoretical "fastest" weapons are that you would want in order to maximize procs during SR. God willing, 2.6 (or even 2.8) will be that number, but I think it may be faster.

So.. does anyone have in-game evidence that can tell us what the PPM number of SR is - using the fastest available weapons and/or several different weapon speeds for comparison?

Back in the day, Kara level gear, pre-T5/2.3 Badge rewards, I would always swap in my 1.8/1.5 speed daggers during SR for mana regen...

1) I had a larger mana pool then (probably close to 8.5k)
2) I had barely 1k AP

I found that daggers filled my mana pool, while my 2.5/2.6 BBW Paw and Blue UB Fist weapon did not. This was reliable enough over the course of many boss fights, that I ALWAYS swapped in daggers to fill up the mana pool...

Fast forward to today, with 1500 AP or so, and a smaller mana pool, 5.5-6k, I do not need to swap, yet still fill the mana pool. I think there's a point where AP is high enough that it doesn't matter anymore. Popping a trinket like bloodlust broach and getting UR to proc also help a lot more, than they did when I had 1k ap, 20% crit, and like 200 hit (;

So there's probably some magic AP/Crit number that yields 2.6 speed mana efficiency, I just don't know what it is, but guess it's around 1.2k or so when it starts to not matter.

I used the armory to get the 22,2%. The tooltip over agility claims 332 ag gives 14.95%. Guess it's flawed in including the base. Oh well.

My point was originally just what was wrong with the sample data. Given these new numbers, you need 22.1 CR or 22.73 Ag(there is no point in calculating without kings. Look at Str's static EP) for 1% crit. Why are the sample data on sets not always AG/CR = 22.73/22.1 = 1,03? The T6 EP values are, so I'm guessing the T4 and T5 ones are wrong.

Why does this matter, you ask? If Yo!'s sim generate EP values for Ag and CR that do not follow Ag/CR = 1.03, the sim must be flawed. Since the most of the EP examples seen here, and my own numbers, suggest the sim is correct, the T4 and T5 sample data in the OP are wrong.

Hi I just wanted to let all know I downloaded Enhancer a couple nights back by following the link in the addons section of the OP and it contained an embedded keylogger and my account was hacked.

Hi, i just wanted to let you know that lot's and lot's of people in here have been using Enhancer for a couple of months by now that was downloaded by following the link in the addons section of the OP and none has reported anything similar to you, so if it had indeed an embedded keylogger, wouldn't like a LOT more people been hacked before you, because of it?

On most fights, it's true that the speed doesn't matter for purposes of mana regen because we just get so much mana back, but on some - Zul'Jin for example, where I'm doing a crapton of off-healing and don't necessarily get to just melee dps for the entire duration of SR, knowing that I can swap in faster weapons to get back more mana while I *can* dps will make a big difference. I would however like those weapons to be as slow as possible while still maximizing the mana gained so that my dps doesn't suffer too much... thus it would be nice to know what the actual PPM rate of SR is.

Quick question i have a shaman and here is the link Shamlord

I have stacked around 273 armor pen atm and was wondering if it is worthwhile or if i should go for other pieces of gear and maybe even swap my mh enchant from exec to mongoose to up my dps!

Any answers would be appreciated even per email or pm!

The answers you seek can be found in the OP and Yo's simulator.

I have read it 500 times and wanted to know from peoples personal experience

i know that mongoose is vialble to a point and after that more crit doesnt give you as much benifit as would stacking armor pen!