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Paksenarrion

I just have 1 thing to ask. i know 2.6 weapons is what we should use.

The fists from badges in 2.4 are 2.5 speed ,but also seems to be a upgrade from the syphon/rising tide combo. So my question here is for the theorycrafters. How much dps will i loose from the occasional WF loss i get from 2.5 weapons. Or is it worth switching to those fists when 2.4 hits

 

vorda

Did you consider using yo!'s sim? I recommend you read the first post again and use proper punctuation in your next posts, as this kind of posts will get you banned quickly here.

 

Paksenarrion

I would have if i could get the sim to work.

And i dident see much wrong with my punctuation. This might just be as english is not my first language

 

Ygidorp

I've been looking through some of the replies here but I gave up at some point. What I am looking for is a sheet showing the currently best gear an enhancement shaman can obtain if you ONLY consider DPS throughput. Anyone knows of such sheet? It might also be a nice section to add to the main post as well, seeing as the best weapons available already are listed.

 

• Raut

Take the EP numbers from the OP, import them into Lootrank, apply common sense, profit.

Baby, you can hold my balls.

13:17 < Kalroth> gays on men tv? I love that channel

 

• Aeolian

Ygi, this thread isn't here to tell you what gear you should be wearing exactly. The thread is a guide to shaman mechanics and provides the tools for you to find out what gear you should be wearing, for yourself. The reason you haven't found something to that effect is because most people will tell you exactly what I just told you and what I am about to tell you: Use Yo's Simulator for your current gear and then do some math and find your own upgrades.

Edit: LootRank is another tool you could use.

Edit 2: Bah and Raut beat me to my edit.

 

Paksenarrion

How do you use that sim? All i get is a blank page under the heading. So i have no chance to test out my 2.5 speed 2.4 badges fists calc

 

ragga

"Q: I do not see applet, what do I need to run it?
A: Download latest Java from Sun. Make sure that your browser's settings allow java. "

Reading does help sometimes :S

 

Paksenarrion

I have tried that ofc. It just wont work for me

 

Atren

What OS you have? What Browser you using. What Java version you have installed?

 

Malan

The number of stupid posts asking the same crap that's been asked a dozen times in this thread in the last 2 pages is astounding.

Read the OP. Search the thread (yes the entire thread) and THEN post.

Shitting up every single thread on EJ since '06

 

automatica

Take the time to read the FAQ for Yo's simulator and it CLEARLY spells out how to resolve the exact thing you're asking.

Edit: Just saw ragga's post. Apologies for repeating the obvious response.

 

Mindrila

Your right again, well there were some issues this morning with the forum and editing my post didn't work anymore.
Well Yo said he tuned it to be 1.33%, after 13 minutes bashing in blasted lands I got 1.6% but 13 minutes isn't long enough, well Yo also posted it gives an attack with the same hand it procced, well I'm wondering if that is true because I got in this 13 minutes only extradamage from my mainhand (well again 13 minutes are just too short so I have to hack a longer time there, it's just suspicious and could have some impact on itemization of HoJ)

But it's kind of hard analysing which weapon proct it and if it procs of windfury or not. I'll look into it.

Edit: Just a short question for those who have done similar research allready, what timeframe is there to tell this attack has procced that effect? Is it just normal lagtime e.g. 200ms or can there be a gap of 2 seconds?

 

Delita

It might be worth logging onto the PTR and asking a GM what the PPM on SR is, because the GMs on the PTR always seem a little more happy to divulge info like that, on the other hand, one could go to Blasted lands, and spend hours with and without weapon buffs with a 2Her and DW to see what the PPM is with WWS parsing (Remember NOT to use SS for some of the tests,a nd tehn use SS for others so everyone can see the change in PPM values so we can assess if SS even affects it). I can probably get to this next weekend, but if we all go do an hour or two and just look at a straight PPM value and not mana returned per attack we can see what we find.

If you have a nice little weapons cache, try this out with some daggers too, and 9% hit should be more than enough to cap us on the 60 mobs in blasted lands.

 

Mindrila

So I did some further hacking in blasted lands with Hand of Justice. Now it was for 52 minutes (well somehow I got bored and there is a raid waiting for me...)

Results:
Hits: 3284
Procs: 48
Time: 52 min
-> 1.46% chance
There seems to be a very small or even none hidden cooldown as I got 2 procs in 2.8 seconds (from combatlog)

As far as the extraattacks damage is shown quite fast (one lagtime ~200ms) after the actual gain of an extra attack it seems the extraattack is always the mainhand (and thus Yo's sim would be wrong).

Windfury didn't seem to proc HoJ (well there was some Blizzard poster saying no extraattack would proc another one or am I wrong?)

If someone wants my combatlog, I can send it, but it's in German and only 40 minutes because I forgot to start a new log for easier searching...

 

Malystra

Is it possible to see the calculations used to model the DPS output for Windfury Totem? I'm having some issues with group compositions and which Air Totem to drop so I want to prove mathematically which Totem to use.

 

◊ Shalas

Theoretically HoJ should have a 1.33% proc rate (2% at level 60 * 2/3), and 1.46% after only 50 minutes of testing seems like a reasonable level of error. With 2.6 speed weapons, this should give ~.75 procs per minute, which at 600 damage per MH swing would be 7.5 DPS, or a total EP of around 60. Being able to proc WF would only increase its damage by <30%, making it go up to about 70 EP, and still worse than leveling quest greens.

 

Dukanull

Might be a really stupid question, but I was wondering if anyone knew if Felguards received windfury, I would test it, but can't find a felguard lock on at the moment.

Vindication-wow.com

 

Lujaar

Tested this last time I ran a heroic with a felguard lock. Felguards do get windfury.

Druids in tree form also get windfury. Thank you, mana feeder packs, for this valuable information. Cat druids, however, still do not get windfury. Pointing out this contradiction is the best way I know to incite feral druids (besides taking their loot, of course).

 

Delita

I don't think they do, as I believe all pets funtion on a feral druid esque basis in that they don't use a weapon skill per se in their attacks and although a Felguard may swing a weapon, it doesn't have weapon skills and the like, so I don't think they would recieve it, although receiving other totem passive buffs like SoE and GoA.

[e] beaten, and proven wrong.

 

rava

At the risk of looking like a retard:

You can get a rough model by breaking down average damage per swing over 100 hits. G = %Glancing, C = %Crit, N = %Normal, X = Average WF Hit. (I haven't had algebra in a while, sorry if this looks terrible)

(((G*.65(glancing penalty)*X+C*2(crit multiplier)*X+N*X)/100(amount of swings))*.2(WF Proc Chance))/Average Weapon Speed

For example's sake, use these numbers:

Average WF hit = 1000
Glancing = 25%
Crit = 35%
Normal = 30%
Miss = 5%
Dodge = 5%
Average Weapon Speed = 1.5

(((25*.65*1000+35*2*1000+30*1000)/100)*.2)/1.5
((16250+70000+30000)/100)*.2)/1.5
(1162.5*.2)/1.5 = 155

In reality the average WF hit will be higher depending on your rogues gear level/consumables/raid composition, glancing will most likely be lower, and with expertise the dodge and miss will be lower as well.

Full price for gum!? That dog won't hunt, Monsignor.

 

Mindrila

Well perhaps just overwhelmed by our Archimonde firstkill, I went to the auctionhouse bought a grey dagger and went to the blasted lands again.

This time:
1653 hits
24 procs
28:13 min

-> 1.45% procrate

Well I had the idea of getting up the ppm of the trinket but well it just changed from 0.92 to 0.85, it just got worse (well as the procrate it seems to be getting closer to theoretical values), seems to be somehow a ppm effect or I just don't understand the mechanic of a chance based proc. (thought ppm would increase if I switch for a faster weapon)

Well 600 damage per MH swing seemed a bit low but 750 damage doesn't change the value to be superior to anything else easy obtainable...

I will look through the combatlog tommorow to investigate the thing if it only procs a MH swing or not. (At least this could be changed in Yos simulator then for the sake of correctness)

 

• Shinanigans

Good afternoon ladies and gents.

I am currently sitting at 188 passive haste rating and I am starting to wonder if I am overdoing it. I know that 2.4 is going to make haste a much more valuable stat, but I more worried about right now.

With my current haste rating, my attack speed is down to 2.32 -- I have Rising Tide MH and S2 Axe OH. Is this killing WF procs?

Also, if I was asked to explain why I have so much haste rating, what would be a solid answer to that question?

Thanks.

 

Delita

There is no solid answer, if you need to do something, just point and click to the simulator if it is infact a DPS upgrade.