Yeah, it's not working. Guess you just gotta stick to counting to 3 in your head again ;P
I'm sure it'll be fixed soon enough. Weekends always give plenty of time for the code monkeys to get to work (no offense ;P )

As for mana, with the gear I got equipped (see profile), I got around 6.4kish mana and don't have any problems with it. We're on Kalecgos.

When we're talking about wfcooldownmeters.

Anyone using WF3Sec? Or if the author (Hedin?) is reading this...

I got it to work today again (was broken right at patch) but it doesn't behave as it shoud, I've also had this before 2.4 but then I just retained an old version that worked properly.

The issue is that now the 3 secs show up just in the left most part of the bar, it looks as if the resolution of the bar is 10 secs now and since WFCD only is 3 secs it starts at the 3 sec mark and go down making it a lot harder to see.

Anyone else who has this problem?

I use DisqoDice-there's a link in the Enhancement Bible(aka the big guide for shamans ). It does show you the cooldown of Windfury, has twist options, other cooldown options etc. Compact and light addon. Although it doesn't show about your totems- just twist really. I also heard TotemTimer is a nice addon.

Btw, I have some problems with destroying totems- I simply can't. Clicking on em(right-click, left-click , whatever really) doesn't destroy them. <--- Using Blizzard ui for the buffs, minimalist as well( tho for some odd reason, it doesn't work for the buff section currently) and AG_unitframes. Can anyone help me out with this?

Yep, i figured other people could do totems better, but there wasn't a twisting mod, and I wanted the stormstrike/windfury/shocks stuff for my own purposes.

Yep, I made every bar 10 seconds long so that now you can see if there is time to shock if SS CD ended in progress of WF CD. Maybe in next version I'll recolor SS bar for last 1.5 seconds so you can time GCD from shocks :-)

Anyone noticed aggro issues after the patch? Last night in bt I managed to pull aggro of gurtogg twice and even ros in p2 both with vashj trinket equipped and twisting tq, never pulled any aggro on any of those fight so I was pretty amused that how that happened . The interesting is that I didn't pull either najentus or teron and while I wasn't twisting nor had the vashj tirnket equipped. The tanks and group setup was regular.

Sounds like you weren't getting Wisdom on the boss from the paladins.

I did a full night of Brutallus attempts last night (with three different 1-3% wipes), and I found that I could keep full mana with just JoW on the boss. I never used my SR except to mitigate the last 15 seconds of burn. Saving the SR for burn really helps out the healers, and combined with a healthstone I can pretty much guarantee I'll survive.

Not sure what your raid composition looks like, but with a Ret Paladin in the raid to refresh blessings, and never having to move, EVER. The holy paladins can toss Judgements of Light and Wisdom once at the start of the fight, and they pretty much just don't fall off (rare exception is the Ret Paladin gets back to back dodged/missed Crusader Strikes).

But overall, on this fight my mana regen is higher in combat than out because of Judgement of Wisdom.

I've read through the pages since this, and either I missed the result or no one's pursued this (admittedly fairly monumental) undertaking, or prove the 5.6% vs 6.5% debate by another means. With the [Shard of Contempt] available now, it's actually fairly important that this be cleared up, so we can determine if 91 expertise rating is capped, or if it takes 103 rating. Again, I may have missed something searching around here and in the rogue thread, but this still seems very ambiguous to me. I don't want to write off one side as being dyslexic, because it feels like just picking a side at random--yes, the math on WoWWiki says 5.6% and it makes some fair amount of sense, but it wouldn't be the first time info there was wrong. It could just as easily be 0.1% dodge per defense point higher than the attacker's weapon skill, instead of 0.04%, without some solid evidence.

If this understanding is still lacking, I'd be happy to dig through other peoples' WWS reports (probably tomorrow) if they could provide me with spec/gear/race info for the appropriate members of the raid (particularly if the rogues have the expertise talent and if they're human, if any shaman are orcs, how much expertise people had on their gear, yadda yadda). I don't have enough reports from my own raids to do this, though I can certainly add the data I do have into the mix if needed.

...or if I'm dumb and someone's already solved this, I'd love to have a link to that post so I can bookmark it and stop coming back to this topic.

[e] This will probably take a pretty large number of reports to get near the confidence level we need, and I don't want to flood the thread--probably best to PM me your data. Also, if you're an orc, please either be DW axes or not using an axe in either hand. I could technically average the expertise for each hand, but I'd rather work with fewer assumptions. Same goes for rogue data, if a human is fist/sword, I can't use their autoattack damage for this without making a similar assumption.

Here's a link to the WWS Report for our Brutallus attempts last night.

This should be a good report to test on since in almost every attempt I'm behind the boss 100% of the time.

I'm an Orc Shaman dual wielding Vengeful Axes, and I also had the [Shard of Contempt] equipped all night. Hope this helps, would love to see the results.

Edit: I fail at english.

It's a fairly low amount of dodged attacks to be honest. And that is only with 16 expertise(shard + 5 expertise). Note that it's expertise, NOT expertise RATING. It's an interesting debate for the expertise cap,in my opinion, so can we get any maths for that, please?

Btw, Disquette, I find the timers for SS / shocks/ WF and all that much better then my blizzard ones. Because I can time my twist more precisely, acknowledging other spells. I can also re-cast the twist like 1 sec earlier, but get less GCD on my shock/ SS, therefore lose less dps :P .
Did you update the water totem addon btw? Last time I checked, it was still on the 1-min cd. Haven't checked still with the latest version though.

Yes, it's on a 10 minute timer now, and the version is updated to show WF cooldown properly with the new combat log (in large part thanks to Hedin).

Yes, you could even argue if the WF proc probability is 40% but not 36% in this case (since we already exclude proc chains or similar), then it is even a bit more correct.
Anyway as for now I'm fairly happy with the formula.

I'd say you didn't have BoW up as this happened to me. I'm actually trying twisting with 16/45 and 2 shocks per twist which just destroys the blue bar and without BoW I was oom in maybe 40 seconds it seemed. With BoW I was able to keep my mana above 50% the entire time and I'm pretty sure I used more mana in 10 seconds then you would have unless you're crazy like me, heh.

I want to try this on our brutallus trys, what rotation were you using? ss, fs, wf/goa, es. rinse repeat?

Redone my addon so now it will NOT show WF CD alone it just corrects SS CD if it gets into WF CD...

I just noticed something for Yo's Sim. The actual weights displayed on the main tab do not match the values for the enhancer string in the import/export tab.

I ran the sim a few times. This is an example of what I got.

Although only 2 values don't match (strength and agility), I'm hoping this is just user error on my part. But it is something to take note of.

Apologizes if this was already mentioned before.

Any idea when Yo's will update with Shard of Contempt as a chooseable "2nd trinket"?

Or can we use it with just the 2nd trinket slot being "Nothing" and still get correct AEP?

Until now there is (as far as i have seen) no known mechanic for the shard, well sort of but no ppm only a guess at an internal cooldown of 45 seconds but as long as there are no definite numbers accepted by the whole community I don't think it will be put there. Just enter your expertise gained and well add a random amount of attackpower (perhaps 80) and I believe your ep values won't be that far off.

[Scroll of Strength V] how many use these with regualar consumables? Daily quest mobs + chest drops those in sunwell and price went down.

Edit: I just bought 50*1g each. Droprate is now awesome.

My rogues that have are saying that the info they have shows 60% proc rate or around a 2 PPM. They didn't say where they got that info though, but if that's legit than the shard is definitely better than the DST.

@Pitbuller - I don't make a habit of buying them, but if I see them on a vendor (limited item) in ZA or get them from drops I'll usually use them on things like Teron, Mother, Council, things where it behooves us to finish the fight as fast as possible before someone fucks it up.

I tested it on the PTR and there is indeed a 45 second internal cooldown.

Noob question that I'm sure has been asked many times before (but searching for syphon & EP doesn't work, Syphon alone comes up with a a loooooooot of hits, etc), how do you figure out the EP of the Syphon? Going strictly by the DPS and the AP, the two stats that EP assigns value to, its EP is relatively low, but that's without figuring in the proc which I'm assuming is what makes it so good. Would just like to know exactly what the EP value of the weapon is and how it was figured. Thanks!