Post patch, im basically sitting with infinate mana.

I've turned to dropping fire nova every cooldown, and after it blows, i drop searing for a few seconds, no mana issues at all, basically fire nova is another shock for me.

Im not sure i could maintain all of it without 25% mana reduction on the totems, but it is something to consider when comparing elemental and resto as secondary trees. 15% more damage from totems isn't a huge percentage of our overall damage by a longshot, but it is something.

Well, after some testing it appears the Stonebreaker Totems cooldown is 10seconds, no more. So basically if you have the buff up and you cast a shock there's no chance it will refresh. If someone else wants to work out the math for if it's worthwhile to try and time your shocks every 10 seconds instead of every 6 seconds, feel free :P

God, I love this patch. Did Full MH and up to Akama tonight and I love it so much . Infinite mana, more dps (hidden on the meters, but can be shown in WWS at least) and I feel like I can finally go all out. Haven't done Reliquary or Gurtogg yet, but I usually had to stop dps on at least Anetheron, RWC and HWLN. Didn't have to tonight ^^.

Here's the WWS: Khaelyn - WWS (one of our messier raids, but hell I couldn't care even if I tried, really enjoyed myself tonight)

I was chaindropping Fire Nova and Magma Totems on Hyjal trash, it really does nice damage if you check overall. 220k from Fire Nova, 180k from Searing and 90k from Magma Totem. But as everyone else has said, the biggest difference is Shamanistic Rage, oh dear god how I love it. Allows me to pull aggro from a mob without having too bad repercussions, allows me to mitigate damage such as Death & Decay, Doomfire, Unquenchable Flames, whatever other AoE. Not to mention the extra threat reduction.


It really changed my playstyle, I usually at least waited 5-10 sec before dpsing a mob, now I just went straight in together with all the other melee, it was pure heaven .

Heads-up for Omen users: it appears Threat/Omen hasn't yet been updated to reflect the change to Spirit Weapons--thus, it's possible that you are judging your threat higher than it actually is.

I'm ecstatic with these new changes, although I have to add the caveat that I'm yet to raid with them. With Shamanistic focus up Earth shock costs 181 mana. (I usually have the sound switched off in game so I can listen to TS/music. thie sound effect makes me wish I'd never switched it back on.) In my gear, with the SS debuff on the mob, it's hitting for about 1k-1.1k. The damage reduction from SR is also a big deal. I've only tested it while grinding mobs for rep and cash at the moment, but I like very much what I've seen of the changes.

I honestly think that enhancement shamans are very very good at grinding/farming mobs now. I was at legion hold last night grinding locks. People would show up, kill a few mobs, then notice that they could only get one of the three pylons. I had the other two locked down, my kill rate was so insane. The other benefit to grinding is that with so much mana efficiency I switched the 5 points I had in cheaper heals into imp healing wave, .5sec off cast times adds up over a 2 hour grinding session.

I realise this is just anecdotal evidence, but I'll try to get a wws parse up of tonight's ZA run. I'd much rather run that raid for as long as it takes to get some weapon upgrades than grind the 14k honour I need for a S1 weapon.

NO WONDER! I was freaking riding 125% threat on VR, TRYING to die so I could battle ankh... and never pulled agro!

Someone wanted to know dps breakdown for Enh/Res spec, but this was only for VR: But I'm a bit undergeared compared to the Ele/Enh poster I suspect.

Melee 174,815 = 45%
Windfury Attack 131,397 = 34%
Flame Shock 47,929 = 12%
Earth Shock 2,196 = 0%
StormStrike 29,390 = 7%

Note, my earth shocks were 'accidents' as we had an Elemental Shammy, and I was trying to ONLY flame shock, but habit... Also, I was twisting TA Totem like crazy because I was at 100% threat for so long. I probably spent a decent chunk of time not attacking because I thought I was hitting too much threat earlier. My shock damage probably could have hit upwards of 15% with a FS/ES rotation.

And where do you have this information from?

I checked Omen\Libs\Threat-1.0\ClassModules\Shaman.lua and found:

-- Sets the Spirit Weapons modifier at 0.3 if we're dealing with a 2.3.x build
local SpiritWeaponsModifier = (self.IsTwoPointThree and 0.3) or 0.15

The file date is 28. Sep. 2007, so it seems like it is updated for spirit weapons since a long time already.

You inspired me to run a 15 man alt pug of horridness. I thank you for this inspiration because it actually dropped!

I said the Stonebreaker had a 10-11 second cooldown in my original posting... (can you put this in the OP Malan). Regardless, I got a 50%+ uptime on the buff on 0 resist targets (Blasted Lands Servants).

Threat-lib issues

Threat lib had a bug where it never detected the new 2.3 version (Antiarc posted about it in the Omen/ThreatLib thread).

It should be fixed now.

(essentially, he had forgotten to retrieve the actual version number and just used a constant "2.2.0" instead)