I have a simple answer for this question: no.

This 1.41-1.49 weapon speed range should not cause such drastic change of haste values. Isn't it possible that this is some kind of bug in the simulator? There is no real ingame confirmation for this "damage loss" at 1.41-1.49 weapon speed range, as far as I know.

Sebudai said exactly what the bug is in his post -- the sim is modeling haste potions as a passive 50 haste, which is very different from 400 haste one eighth of the time. It's still not reporting a damage loss (or the value of haste would be negative), just a drastically reduced value.

Either it's a passive 50 or a 400 haste for 15 sec every 2 minutes, it shouldn't cause such a drastic change in the AP value of haste rating.

Hi again, I have another probably annoying and obvious question.. but here goes. On the sim, what does "OH expertise" and "MH expertise" actually mean? As far as I was aware, expertise was just a static value and had nothing to do with weapons? I must be missing something.

If you are an Orc and you use one axe instead of two, these input values might be useful.

Oh, i see. So for me (being a tauren) as long as I put in the expertise value in either OH or MH, it wont make a difference?

I'm a troll with Dragonstrike; I regularly dip below 1s and have never had this trouble.

'Course, the real problem isn't liable to be dips, but median swing speed -- the speed you spend the most time at. If yours was around 1.51...and the sim is looking for 1% increases, as Yo has mentioned...it would take more HR to hit that point, giving you a bit of a false reading. The median wouldn't need to be AT 1.51...so long as it was close, and you crossed the threshhold when looking for an increase, you could see strange behavior.

Just because adding haste rating is always good doesn't mean it's good at a constant rate. So what weapon speeds, haste percent, procs, imbues and crit rate were you using?

You guys are really missing the forest for the trees of what Sebudai said.

Tonight I decided to log only boss fights and wear a full-expertise setup:

[Gloves of the Searing Grip] +18 expertise rating
[Shoulderpads of the Stranger] +10 expertise rating
[Shard of Contempt] +44 expertise rating
[Shapeshifter's Signet] +20 expertise rating
[Shattered Sun Pendant of Resolve] +18 expertise rating
Total: 110 expertise rating. Usable expertise rating: 108 as in 26 raw expertise or 6.75% chance to not being dodged/parried.

My hit table was as follows:
Melee swings: 1211 landed 0 dodged 8 parried
Windfury hits: 505 landed 0 dodged 1 parried
Stormstrike hits: 192 landed 0 dodged 1 parried

The parse covered two encounters: Teron Gorefiend (1-shot) and Gurtogg Bloodboil (5 tries + death).
The parries were from when I had the Bloodboil tanking debuff, so I was facing the boss, as well as a random parry or two when the bosses switched.

Differential was made with yesterday's Archimonde parse, where with 92 expertise rating I had 18 dodged melee hits in a similar number of swings, hence could safetly conclude the Expertise cap for Dodge is not 90 (5.6%) but in fact higher, so could safetly conclude that Wowwiki is wrong (not really much of a surprise there).

My conclusions:
1. - Dodges are totally taken out of the hit table at 94+ rating (5.75% and upwards). 6.75% aka 108 expertise is enough to cap it for sure. My best bet would be 100 expertise rating (6%, aka 25 expertise).
2. - Parry has a different expertise cap higher than 108. This would explain the use of the Scryer version of the above-used Neck piece, which gives you +100 expertise rating for 10 seconds (I recall someone was wondering a few pages back why it overcapped you).

Edit: Nm, found it out with some personal testing.

Nice work thanks. Would you please repost that in the wiki for posterity?

sorry i got confused by lootzor site
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every blue gem was socketed with +8 agility, didn't notice it said (Test soulbound gem)

Is not +8 agi Red gem? Like this [Delicate Living Ruby]

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hi all,

i have a question about enhancer.

Since patch 2.4 was released there is no longer an AEP configuration menu for me. I already downloaded EquivalencePoints, but i can't find an according option.

It's a bug isn't it?

mesh

Ah yes, I've always been unselecting the haste pot for EP calculation, was figuring that 50 extra haste would scew the results somehow. I didn't actually ever test if it was so, however.

Ah well, still haven't figured out what's wrong with my own EP's

EDIT: Ok, the results of having gained Expertise is that my haste EP has gone up, which I guess makes sense, more hits going in, haste is better. The thing that had me a bit confused was that hit went up in EP value also, but I guess that also makes sense, since when haste gets better, it needs more hit too, since white damage goes up. Haste, and as a result, hit, does seem to vary about 0.1 in EP value though, which is a bit much for my liking (10000 hours sim per run), but I guess there's not much to do about that than run longer or more sims. Anyone else seeing such instability in their EP's, or am I just being overcautious?.

It is available, just misses A LOT of options

Expertise increasing hit does not actually make sense. Maybe it was just one extreeme of spectrum of values for hit. Expertise converts dodges into hits as far as i know, hit has nothing to do with it. Perhaps i am missing something here, but i doubt.

EDIT:

Oh, on what expense did you gain expertise? If you swapped hit to expertise then it would make sense for hit to be more worth.

Well, my thesis is that Expertise = more yellow and white hits = haste is good, but as haste gets more attractive, it's also affecting white damage = hit goes up (a bit). I've done some more sims, it's definately gone up, but not as significantly as I first observed.

I will add the expertise findings to the wiki, however I want to test again, with +100 usable expertise rating this time.
If I get a single dodge in any ammount of hits, then the limit is either 104 or 108 (I know for sure it's capped at 108 already, however I don't know if it's lower)
If i don't get a dodged attack on a relevant number of swings/wf procs/SS' then it means it caps at either 96 or 100 (I know for sure it's not capped at 92).

Unfortunately, missing Vashj's belt as well as Sunwell tier parts, I am unable to verify for 96 and 104 respectively, so I can only get as close as these two possible intervals.

These would be the gear setups pre-Sunwell that would give these two results:
10 (shoulders) + 20 (ring) + 44 (shard) + 25 (belt) = 99 ER = 96 usable ER.
10 (shoulders) + 44 (shard) + 18 (gloves/rep neck) + 25 (belt) = 107 ER = 104 usable ER.

The possible setups I can get now are either 92 (tested already) or 100 (using some other shoulders instead of [Shoulderpads of the Stranger] ).

Another setup I can get to would be 113 ER (112 usable ER) with [Brooch of Deftness] however I do have other badge priorities at the moment and very little time on my hand for grinding. The result would go to proving Parry ER limits only, anyway.

Right EP values with haste pots.

Run sim with no haste pots selected. Write down ep values.
Run sim with passive 400haste rating. Write down ep values.

Multiple first ep values with 7/8.
Multiple last ep values with 1/8.

Sum ep values.

I can test 96 now (Belt + Gloves + Shoulder + Shard = 97, 96 usable) and 104 (Belt + Gloves + Signet + Shard = 107, 104 usable). What is the best way to test it?