I'm not sure how I feel about the SR change. On a fight where you're in no danger of getting forced out of melee it's a nerf. It's 15 fewer seconds of free mana and it makes your returns more random. A very good result will be wasted - you'll be topped off and unable to spend mana fast enough - but a very bad result will suck just as much as ever. On the other hand, if you sync your SR with Bloodlust Brooch/Zerker's Call you'll get better results now - 100% trinket uptime unstead of 66% - and it'll be easier to get a full SR off on add fights or bosses that force you out of melee. It's easier to find a 15-second window than a 30-second one.

EDIT: Shamanistic Rage seems to still be returning 15% AP right now, not the 30% listed in the tooltip. Hopefully this isn't intended.

Not to nitpick, but the most important one is probably Illidan :P.

About Shamanistic Rage, mine is also still only returning 15% rather than 30%. I'm assuming its a bug.

From a PvE perspective, I actually wish they would have given the MS effect to ROCKBITER. I mean, FT has viabilty, and is still used... Who uses Rockbiter anymore?

Though, Ele Shaman will use FT as it stands on PTR, no brainer... But I think it would have been interesting to give Rockbiter some viabilty... There's also the resist factor with FT to consider, though that's marginal imo.

Alright, I have a question that has been bothering me since Executioner enchant came out with 2.3.

When I looking to be recruited by a new guild, both of their enhance shamans stated that dual Mongoose is inferior now, compared to Ex/Mon. Is there claim unfounded?

I am very curious as to where they are getting their information.

Thanks.

Has anybody on the PTR yet tried to macro the individual totem recall when twisting? Interested in the mana savings numbers.

Does anybody who twists on the PTR see an increase in shock damage? With 1s totem drops, a WFT/GoA/Shock/SS/Shock rotation may be possible.

No. It's just oversimplified. Exec/Mongoose CAN be better than Mongoose/Mongoose, if you've got the gear to make Executioner worth while (that is to say, a good deal of armor pen & AP and a high enough crit rating that an extra 4.8% crit now and then isn't a big deal). Your raid debuffs are important, too...if you're not getting CoR, Faerie Fire and a full stack of sunders, Exec won't be as good.

For most shaman not at T6, Mongoose/Mongoose is slightly better.

I have Exec/Mongoose; I picked it up the first week ZA was out. It was expensive and I won't be replacing it -- Mongoose/Mongoose isn't that much better (I sim about a 3 dps difference). When I upgrade Dragonmaw (which will be tonight if the Vortexes drop), I will be putting Mongoose on it.

This is interesting as i was just about to make a post about this.

I've noticed recently that with Double Mongoose Procs, Flurry, and a rogue popping Drums of Battle, or me using Bloodlust my weapon speed drops perilously close to 1.5.

If i use BL whilst the drums are up it goes below 1.5 So atm i am waiting for the drums to run out before using BL. I never use my Haste pots anymore, and am wondering whether to either get Executioner enchanted in the offhand, even though i don't have all that much armour penetration, and whether to use Insane Strengths instead of Haste Pots, as like i said i'm very close to dropping below 1.5 weapon speed in my offhand (Not a prob for Main as it's Syphon with 2.8 speed)

I must've misunderstood then.

I was under the impression that reducing your weapon speed past 1.5 resulted in a net loss of dps

I have it built into my twisting macro. I can't say I've noticed the extra mana (our pallies have been pretty good with JoW) or an increase in shock damage. I'll try and pay attention tonight.

There is a very small range where your dps will theoretically drop. Even if you go out of your way to hit that range, it's very hard to spend a nontrivial amount of time in it, so it hasn't been proven that the dps drop actually exists. It's really not worth worrying about.

I remember this being tested in the resto topic and proven false.

Test was like this: empty mana bar and measure time needed to regen to full with just WS casted once. Then do the same with spamming WS. Both scenarios needed the same time to get the mana bar filled again.