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08/09/07, 6:21 PM
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#1251 (permalink)
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Don Flamenco
Tauren Druid
Balnazzar (EU)
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What sort of percentage of the player base is pvp focused vs pve focused?
All balancing issues seem to be based on pvp now, there is no pve related reason I can think of that would warrant this change.
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08/09/07, 6:46 PM
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#1252 (permalink)
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Don Flamenco
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Originally Posted by Hidden
[Darkmoon Card: Crusade] also increases your Spell Damage by 80 when shocking every time when cooldown is up, so it's slightly underrated.
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Unfortunately, this isn't quite the case. I've found that the resist rate for boss mobs is high enough that I never see the full stack of this spell.
.... They couldn't just ruin WF for shaman. They had to go ruin it for other classes too. My raid spot is doomed.
re-edit: I'm a moron.
last-edit: It would be nice if we could figure out a way to record damage absorbed by our totems. All things considered it's probably a good thing for healer mana.
Last edited by drats : 08/09/07 at 7:03 PM.
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08/09/07, 6:58 PM
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#1253 (permalink)
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by Ujin
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This makes me angry.
It also makes me wish they'd expand more on what they plan to do with the totem system as a whole.
Bit sick and tired of the crypt spiders in hyjal, Teron, the flame of Azzinoth from Illidan, etc. all deciding to make ANY of my totems number one priority targets over and over and over again.
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08/09/07, 7:07 PM
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#1254 (permalink)
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The Google Map Team can no longer help you
Tauren Shaman
Skullcrusher
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Does anyone know if some guild was somehow abusing a windfury totem mechanic that this needed a hotfix?
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Why all thinks that WF is better than rock?
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~Rocks, coming to a shaman near you in the next expansion~
Originally Posted by Bluur
Oh, and btw, vulajin, I don't know why we gave you those fucking pants and the muramasa - maybe if your dps was anywhere near your precious spreadsheets you'd actually beat my DPS once in a while.
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08/09/07, 7:08 PM
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#1255 (permalink)
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The All-Seeing Eye
Draenei Shaman
Black Dragonflight
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Now that Windfury Totem is less effective, what is the magnitude of this change? How much less overall DPS will rogues/warriors see? The dead horse has been resurrected: At what gear threshold is WF Totem better than Grace of Air for rogues?
Most importantly, in a raid group with a limited number of shamans to go around, is putting the shaman in the melee group still significantly better than giving it to casters or hunters?
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08/09/07, 7:12 PM
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#1256 (permalink)
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by Malan
Does anyone know if some guild was somehow abusing a windfury totem mechanic that this needed a hotfix?
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I'd laugh if it was "totem twisting".
Edit: Raiding now, so lets see this "hotfix" in action on my groups dps.
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08/09/07, 7:13 PM
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#1257 (permalink)
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by Malan
Does anyone know if some guild was somehow abusing a windfury totem mechanic that this needed a hotfix?
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Spamstring!
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08/09/07, 7:25 PM
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#1258 (permalink)
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Glass Joe
Draenei Shaman
Ravencrest
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I'd guess that this is an intentional nerf to the ever more popular 2x warrior + some kind of shaman 5v5 arena teams.
They're doing their best to balance out the classes - having it evolve into double warrior teams is clearly against that.
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08/09/07, 7:25 PM
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#1259 (permalink)
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by Murderbot
Now that Windfury Totem is less effective, what is the magnitude of this change? How much less overall DPS will rogues/warriors see? The dead horse has been resurrected: At what gear threshold is WF Totem better than Grace of Air for rogues?
Most importantly, in a raid group with a limited number of shamans to go around, is putting the shaman in the melee group still significantly better than giving it to casters or hunters?
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Its a 6% nerf for sword (accounting for the sword spec nerf coming in next patch as well)/fist rogues give or take (25% damage coming from Sinister Strike, 25% of that comes from WF, 6% of my overall damage comes from WF proccing off sinister strike. Completely based off my last wws report). It doesn't seem like much on paper, but its a sizable chunk. It'll be better viewed in a raid.
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08/09/07, 7:40 PM
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#1260 (permalink)
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Von Kaiser
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Raiding atm. right now have a dagger rogue, sword rogue, arms warrior, and a feral druid. I'll let you know how things pan out.
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Vindication-wow.com
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08/09/07, 7:44 PM
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#1261 (permalink)
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The Google Map Team can no longer help you
Tauren Shaman
Skullcrusher
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I've got about the same setup right now, feral, sword rogue, fist rogue, MS warrior. The warrior said that for 2 trash pulls he got zero WF procs.
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Why all thinks that WF is better than rock?
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~Rocks, coming to a shaman near you in the next expansion~
Originally Posted by Bluur
Oh, and btw, vulajin, I don't know why we gave you those fucking pants and the muramasa - maybe if your dps was anywhere near your precious spreadsheets you'd actually beat my DPS once in a while.
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08/09/07, 7:53 PM
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#1262 (permalink)
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Divine Protector
Blood Elf Paladin
Mal'Ganis
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Originally Posted by Natali3
I'd laugh if it was "totem twisting".
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Having less attacks proccing WF totem doesn't affect totem twisting.
The only reason I see for this hotfix is a Warrior/Shaman Arena teamups.
Because of the horrible agility to crit ratio for Warriors, WF should still be better for them. However, some WWS parses are needed to really see what is happening.
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08/09/07, 7:57 PM
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#1263 (permalink)
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Glass Joe
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Seeing some WWS parses will be really nice.
And if the change was made because of arena groups ill be rather upset. WoW has been a PvE based game from the beginning, but with recent pvp changes and this balancing act crap that they've been doing, has started hurting pve, their primary focus.
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08/09/07, 8:23 PM
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#1264 (permalink)
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Von Kaiser
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Phase 2-4 Kael our sword rogue was doing 1300ish dps, maybe 100-150 lower than usual. Arms warrior took a pretty big hit from regular performance.
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Vindication-wow.com
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08/09/07, 8:25 PM
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#1265 (permalink)
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The Google Map Team can no longer help you
Tauren Shaman
Skullcrusher
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Originally Posted by frmorrison
Having less attacks proccing WF totem doesn't affect totem twisting.
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What he meant was the the possibility that since people were using both they would tone down Windfury as a response.
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Why all thinks that WF is better than rock?
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~Rocks, coming to a shaman near you in the next expansion~
Originally Posted by Bluur
Oh, and btw, vulajin, I don't know why we gave you those fucking pants and the muramasa - maybe if your dps was anywhere near your precious spreadsheets you'd actually beat my DPS once in a while.
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08/09/07, 8:30 PM
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#1266 (permalink)
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Glass Joe
Troll Shaman
Steamwheedle Cartel (EU)
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Originally Posted by Malan
Who is the author of that sim? Does he frequent EJ?
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Hey Malan,
Yep I'm here. I'm the author of Shamulator.
There are indeed some significant changes coming in the next version which can affect the results. Specifically,
- Dualwielding should grant a 36% WF proc chance (in current version it's 20% no matter what)
- When weapons swing simultaneously, randomly choose which hand gets to swing first
- OH 50% damage penalty was incorrectly penalizing the WF Bonus AP portion of that damage
- Attempts to make Flurry better mimic ingame Flurry behavior
- If MH SS swing misses, OH SS swing should not be attempted
The last 2 have a pretty minor impact on final overall DPS, but the first 3 can change things up significantly. I'm not sure if these changes would affect the relative DPS you are seeing when varying +hit/critchance.
FYI I will be releasing the next version soon (and will post here when it's ready).
I'm currently hung-up on a possible error with same speed weapons lowering DPS compared to using a slightly faster OH weapon. Look back in this thread (page 49) if you'd like to read about it and illuminate me.
Foozga
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08/09/07, 8:31 PM
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#1267 (permalink)
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Glass Joe
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If things end up working out for the worse; ie WF only ends up being a marginal benefit. I guess i'll end up having two free talent points when i login next.
Imp Wep totems just doesnt look that appealing anymore.
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08/09/07, 8:42 PM
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#1268 (permalink)
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The Google Map Team can no longer help you
Tauren Shaman
Skullcrusher
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Originally Posted by joelpt
I'm currently hung-up on a possible error with same speed weapons lowering DPS compared to using a slightly faster OH weapon. Look back in this thread (page 49) if you'd like to read about it and illuminate me.
Foozga
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Link the post, you must be using a different number of posts per page than I am.
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Why all thinks that WF is better than rock?
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~Rocks, coming to a shaman near you in the next expansion~
Originally Posted by Bluur
Oh, and btw, vulajin, I don't know why we gave you those fucking pants and the muramasa - maybe if your dps was anywhere near your precious spreadsheets you'd actually beat my DPS once in a while.
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08/09/07, 10:42 PM
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#1270 (permalink)
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Von Kaiser
Tauren Shaman
Blackrock (EU)
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Originally Posted by Bain
If things end up working out for the worse; ie WF only ends up being a marginal benefit. I guess i'll end up having two free talent points when i login next.
Imp Wep totems just doesnt look that appealing anymore.
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This talent was weak none or less even before the nerf. Actually I'm not really suprised about the change. They already tried it two times in 1.06 (?) test and tBC Beta. Somehow the change vanished in tBC release, maybe even unintented (earthbind anyone? :P). In some way, it helps enhancement shamans, because it will close the dam gap between us and the other melees.
And as someone, who also plays a warrior, I always found harmstring spamming a bit strange. ^^
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08/09/07, 11:00 PM
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#1271 (permalink)
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Piston Honda
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Originally Posted by SentinelBorg
In some way, it helps enhancement shamans, because it will close the dam gap between us and the other melees.
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That's a shortsighted silly viewpoint. If our individual DPS approaches rogues, we'll be nerfed again to fit, as we should be. Otherwise why bring rogues?
I agree that improved weapon totems was always a weak talent, though.
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08/09/07, 11:17 PM
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#1272 (permalink)
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Von Kaiser
Tauren Shaman
Blackrock (EU)
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Originally Posted by slant
That's a shortsighted silly viewpoint. If our individual DPS approaches rogues, we'll be nerfed again to fit, as we should be. Otherwise why bring rogues?
I agree that improved weapon totems was always a weak talent, though.
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I didnt think of really approaching rogue level. Because of how they scale with haste and their itemization advantages, they still will leave us behind with every item tier. But it will close the gap a bit and not just between us and them, but also between ferals, casters, hunters and them. And for warriors, they shouldn't get past us, both classes should be at around the same level.
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08/09/07, 11:30 PM
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#1273 (permalink)
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role != roll
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Originally Posted by Stigmata
What sort of percentage of the player base is pvp focused vs pve focused?
All balancing issues seem to be based on pvp now, there is no pve related reason I can think of that would warrant this change.
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I thought the performance of a hybrid PvP/PvE MS Warrior in raids was a bit excessive compared to Fury considering how good they are in arenas. This is a fairly huge damage nerf for 2H warriors (somewhere around 10% from what my guild worked out), but less for Rogues/Fury Warriors.
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08/10/07, 3:30 AM
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#1274 (permalink)
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Glass Joe
Draenei Shaman
The Venture Co
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Comparing 2 weapons
Hello, i've been reading a lot of information from here to educate myself on the wonders of Enhancement shaman and i'm still missing a lot of information and i'm extremely uncertain of my gear about how to maximise the dps.
I'm trying to keep something like 130-150 hit rating, aiming to keep 25% crit and going for 1500AP now after that going for more crit and more crit as it comes. I've been doing some testing on lowering my hit and so on but i'm not sure if it helps a lot or am i just gimping my stats by going all the wrong ways.
So, my current stats are:
AP 1463
Hit 123
Crit 26.04%
If i change my gear a bit i can go:
AP 1404
Hit 157
Crit 27.32%
Which one would you as the experts think be more benefitting since i'm really having a hard time finding a real solution to this as to which one would be better DPS wise or are they both almost equal and that's why i'm not seeing anything magnificient.
And another, the main idea that i wanted to ask from the people in here. I'm currently using The Decapitator - Items - World of Warcraft and Bo | |