Enhance Shaman: The Collected Works of Theorycraft, Vol I - Page 551

Hedin · 04/01/08, 3:22 PM

Redone my WF3sec, It's now for China players only...

Disquette · 04/01/08, 3:36 PM

Hedin, that's awesome! Grats on the Eastern uptake :-)

Psychodays · 04/01/08, 4:22 PM

I checked out the top 20 Brutalis WWS to look at the different enhance shamans. On the low side Morphling with 1639 dps. Notice his 15.9% swing miss rate and 1.6% WF/SS miss rate. At the top Tommyw and Reuben with ~1850 dps

Reubens armory is similar to Morphlings but, Rueben had the benefits of both a Retadin and Oomkin. That put his crits over 40% and decreased his miss rates. Tommyw really stood out though, check out his 4.7% miss rate with his regular swings. Armory shows him at 22 expertise and 210 hit

Pretty interesting how much expertise/hit improve dps.

iconocclast · 04/01/08, 4:27 PM

Boss mobs are currently believed to have 5.6% dodge vs a player. It will take 23 Expertise (91 Rating) to remove Dodge from the attack table versus a boss mob.

Out of curiosity, why is that listed in the OP under 3.1.3 HASTE RATING?

Tana Umaga · 04/01/08, 4:30 PM

Here´s the proof.

WFmiss

I was wrong, ok, no 1% unavoidable miss chance. So why WF miss?

Malan · 04/01/08, 5:03 PM

Originally Posted by iconocclast

Out of curiosity, why is that listed in the OP under 3.1.3 HASTE RATING?

Failure on my part to insert text properly I guess.

Rapparee · 04/01/08, 5:07 PM

Originally Posted by Tana Umaga

Here´s the proof.

WFmiss

I was wrong, ok, no 1% unavoidable miss chance. So why WF miss?

yellow text in the right side of your screenshot
white hit 233
WF parried
WF hit 444

blue text on the left side of the screen
OH windfury 677 (1 miss)

Toots Hepcat · 04/01/08, 5:09 PM

Hey, I just noticed [Seeker's Gavel] and [K'iru's Presage] are one handed...once enchanted & oiled, they'll offer 351 +heal and 211 +spell damage respectively. This is a few times more than the best shields or offhand "frills". Dual wielded with decent main hands (such as the Shatar/LC maces), they should offer a nice mid-fight swappable boost for top-up healing, LB spam on fight segments that aren't melee friendly or for pre-pull boosts for the Searing Totem.

Grizlor · 04/01/08, 5:17 PM

Originally Posted by Toots Hepcat

Hey, I just noticed [Seeker's Gavel] and [K'iru's Presage] are one handed...once enchanted & oiled, they'll offer 351 +heal and 211 +spell damage respectively. This is a few times more than the best shields or offhand "frills". Dual wielded with decent main hands (such as the Shatar/LC maces), they should offer a nice mid-fight swappable boost for top-up healing, LB spam on fight segments that aren't melee friendly or for pre-pull boosts for the Searing Totem.

Nerfed in today's patch.

Binkenstein · 04/01/08, 5:18 PM

Originally Posted by Strygwyr

Wow Web Stats WWS for our most recent BT clear with Shard of Contempt.
From what I can tell, the shard PPM was 1.2 for me.

Works out at about 50 seconds. My estimate for a base 2.6/2.6 speed was 53 seconds, so I'd say that's fairly accurate.

Mengus · 04/01/08, 5:18 PM

Originally Posted by Rapparee

yellow text in the right side of your screenshot
white hit 233
WF parried
WF hit 444

blue text on the left side of the screen
OH windfury 677 (1 miss)

The same reason you have to expand the detail in WWS, parries, dodges, blocks are counted as 'misses' until you drill down.

Toots Hepcat · 04/01/08, 5:27 PM

Originally Posted by Mengus

The same reason you have to expand the detail in WWS, parries, dodges, blocks are counted as 'misses' until you drill down.

Yeah -- if you eyeball the numbers going down the RIGHT side of the screen, we have a white attack for 233, a WF parry, and a WF attack for 444. Add 'em all up, and you've got 677 damage for the "attack," plus one non-hit, which your SCT mod is calling a "miss."

Aximous · 04/01/08, 5:33 PM

Originally Posted by Saliik

Also, I noticed that in the OP it says bosses are believed to have a 5.6% dodge (23 exp cap), but then a few weeks ago, there was some discussion about determining boss dodge rates. However, that discussion seems to have died with no result posted. Is 5.6% still the assumed dodge chance, or is that still in question?

The other assumption was 6,5% dodge rate, just did some trys on illidan with the shard with a total of 6% dodge reduction from expertise, and I still got dodges on stormstrike. So 6,5% seems a little more correct value.
WWS

Yakout · 04/01/08, 5:35 PM

Originally Posted by Toots Hepcat

Hey, I just noticed [Seeker's Gavel] and [K'iru's Presage] are one handed...once enchanted & oiled, they'll offer 351 +heal and 211 +spell damage respectively. This is a few times more than the best shields or offhand "frills". Dual wielded with decent main hands (such as the Shatar/LC maces), they should offer a nice mid-fight swappable boost for top-up healing, LB spam on fight segments that aren't melee friendly or for pre-pull boosts for the Searing Totem.

This was, alas, hotfixed out of existence last week, and confirmed dead with this week's patch. They nailed [Terokk's Gavel] and the other lingering 1h spell damage weapons at the same time.

If you still want to go this route, your remaining best recourse is a 70 random green DPS axe, fist, or mace "of the Invoker/Sorcerer", but at +138/83 or +96 (healing or spell damage enchants, respectively, plus oil) it's a lot less appealing than a "real" caster weapon in the offhand. Still, for offspec healing (cringe) it'll beat most shields, at least after oiling...

Occultus456 · 04/01/08, 5:36 PM

Originally Posted by Psychodays

I checked out the top 20 Brutalis WWS to look at the different enhance shamans. On the low side Morphling with 1639 dps. Notice his 15.9% swing miss rate and 1.6% WF/SS miss rate. At the top Tommyw and Reuben with ~1850 dps

Reubens armory is similar to Morphlings but, Rueben had the benefits of both a Retadin and Oomkin. That put his crits over 40% and decreased his miss rates. Tommyw really stood out though, check out his 4.7% miss rate with his regular swings. Armory shows him at 22 expertise and 210 hit

Pretty interesting how much expertise/hit improve dps.

Got 1881DPS today @our Killing Try with only 135 Hit and 44 Expertise Rating (Shard of Conempt), but with high Armor Penetration (1519 with Executioner Proc).
Here is my Armory Link: The World of Warcraft Armory

There are missing several items from BT and MH, so i think its an encounter where you can get the 2k DPS with some lucky WF Crits. We are using Retribution Paladin,SV Hunter, but no Moonkin.

All in all VERY nice encounter for Enhancement Shamans i think. Any other experiences @Brut with Armor Pen. Gear?

Recount Screen: http://s5.directupload.net/images/080401/7d2xjscb.jpg