◊ Malan

I'm not sure that I agree with your statement that the Tiered set items are meant to be the "best" available. Tiered sets are good, but often they're good because they work in conjunction with other items. I don't think its bad that non-set items are "better" or "as good" - for one thing it gives you more flexibility in upgrading so that you aren't waiting on that one drop forever. Besides, nobody wants to go back to the days of "guys when is it ok to break the Earthfury set bonus?"

Vyktianity already has over 75 billion followers. The first verse in his book "Gift of the Wild" is "In the beginning Vyk cast lifebloom and then maul."

 

TradewindKlaatubarada

That time happened because T2 was poor compared to T1, even T2.5 was arguably worse.

The scaling of sets (in healing for example) is a reality now, and TX < TX+1.

 

◊ Malan

Hehe - I'll reference you to this thread from just a couple weeks ago.
Shaman - Ten Storm - Set bonus

Vyktianity already has over 75 billion followers. The first verse in his book "Gift of the Wild" is "In the beginning Vyk cast lifebloom and then maul."

 

Unaz

Wait, so is Inscribed Noble Topaz considered the best gem over Bold Living Ruby now?

 

Ralgarog

I have a question.

With full raid buffs i have 2650 attack power, 39% crit and 155 hit.
One time i placed Rockbiter on my 1.5speed offhand Use Bloodlust, Drums of battle(the one that gives you haste) The abacus of the violent odds and i also go a windfury proc. During that 30 seconds, i did roughly 20% more dps than i would of done with the same buffs and windfury weapon on my offhand.

Was that only because my weapon speed is so fast that windfury does not hit for as hard as it could?

I did a search for a question like this but i found no answers. Thanks in advance.

 

Wolflord

The Living Ruby is only marginally better than the Topaz, so it is always worth considering when the chance comes along to meet a socket bonus.


Ralgarog: Yes, if you had a slow offhand with Windfury you would see a further dps gain.

 

◊ Malan

The first post in this thread answers this - do not use an off hand faster than your main hand, and do not use rockbiter on the off hand.

Vyktianity already has over 75 billion followers. The first verse in his book "Gift of the Wild" is "In the beginning Vyk cast lifebloom and then maul."

 

Stigmata

Any thoughts on these two items.

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32746 vs http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30863

The cuffs are socketed with 4 crit 4 str gem.

The cuffs are so much better at first glance, but the haste stacking really draws me towards the swiftstrike, i'm at 105 haste rating atm (10%) and hopefully i will be getting another haste ring soon, but i'm trying to convince myself to go farm the primal airs for the bracers when im not convinced there will be any benefit from 27 haste rating.

So stick to the cuffs or make the swiftstrike?

 

Pater

Unfortunately Lootzor does not do haste rating yet. But manually adding in the haste rating, giving it equal weight with STR, the lootzor result I get is
Deadly Cuffs = 17.3
Swiftstrike = 17.4

So they're virtually identical. Each is better than Precise Flight and worse than Insidious Bands (though not by much).

 

Ralgarog

My question is not which weapon buff to use and which attack speed is the best.

My question is, "Is it possible for rockbiter to do more offhand damage with a .69 speed off hand than with a 2.6 speed windfury enchanted offhand."

 

Pater

One answer to that is "possibly," but a better answer is "you'll probably do more damage with a green L70 2.6 speed offhand than with your 1.5 speed arena weapon." Nobody enjoys telling you that your hard-earned gladiator weapon is worse than a L70 green, but it's the sad truth that results from the 3-sec WF shared cooldown.

 

Ralgarog

Thank you.

 

Patrik

does your guild already have needed amount of hearts of darkness for the sr gear? if not, then there's another thing to consider.

 

• Disquette

I finally ran enough EOTS to pick up http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28944

It seems like the easiest OH to get through solo play, which makes up the vast majority of my time in game these days. The main hand for me that goes with it is of course the Drakefist.

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Expigator

That's an interesting concern as I was looking at the Tier 5 gloves vs. the Fists of Mukoa. I believe hitting the 4 piece tier 5 set bonus and the added hit from the t5 gloves will push me over the top in that direction. I just don't know the benefits of haste over hit enough to entice me back across the line.

I recently upped my hit to around the 240 mark with a lot of added AP, and it really showed in my DPS output.

I think if you're not hurting on +hit, the swiftstrike look really nice, but the deadly cuffs also provide a lot of stam/crit/hit which can allow you more budget on other items.

 

Nemaa

Deadly Cuffs has 28 crit rating, Insidious Bands have 28 agility and as far as I know crit rating > agility (without counting dodge). That means Deadly Cuffs is better for dps purposes.

I'm really interested in the 2.7/2.7 - 2.7/2.8 question. Maybe 2.6 (rising tide)/2.8 is better than both?

 

Expigator

I recently picked up the Syphon (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32262) as my OH and it really increased my total DPS. I'm using Dragonstrike as my MH atm, but plan on upgrading to Rising Tide axe as soon as I can. After seeing the power of the slower offhand, I am a believer.

With the proc rate this syphon has, and its non-uniqueness, i may pick up a 2nd one as a toy after the rogues have one for hemo. It procs a TON and i'm wielding it in my offhand atm.

 

Ruzia

The syphon is the only thing slower than the hammer BS line of weapons. I know that I for one will never see the inside of black temple. Is the difference between 2.7/2.6 that big of a difference between 2.6/2.6 or 2.6/2.5? In order to get those last two speeds you have to use somewhat sub-par weapons to the hammer line I would think.

 

Pater

Agility and crit rating are virtually identical, assuming kings. 1 AGI gives 97% of the benefit of 1 CR when buffed with Kings (22.1*1.1/25 = 0.97). Even weighting AGI at 0.97, Insidious Bands still win out, though it's a closer call: http://www.lootzor.com/index.php?c=7...u1hedu.7heeu.5

 

Nemaa

True, kings is almost always on me and I didn't notice the different socket bonuses. Thanks for pointing that out.

 

Stigmata

We all have SR gear, just struggling to kill mother fu.....sharaz atm.

 

Omaris

I'm sorry if this question was already stated:

I realize that the best set up is slow/slower for MH/OH weapons, but if you have the Blacksmithing 1handers they are 2.7, the only weapon in the game slower than 2.7 is the Syphon of Supremus.

So my question is, will 2.7/2.6 be gimp for DPS? the reason I ask is because right now I use T2 Blacksmithing (2.7) and HWL cleaver (2.6) and my future upgrades are T3 blacksmith for MH, and Arena offhand or Netherbane off of Al'ar, which would keep me at 2.7/2.6 speeds.

Furthermore, I am also asking if I should scrap the whole blacksmithing weapon and not even spend the DKP for the nether vortex's.

if my set up is bad, what do you suggest I do? I guess I could go for Arena (2.6) and Netherbane (2.6) and then at least they would be even.

My main concern is that I won't be entering Black Temple anytime in the near future, my guild has yet to down Vashj or Kael and I don't know what my goals should be for weapons atm.

 

Beowolf

Yeah but its also crashing if I have, well, anything locked :/

 

Ruzia

Posted by Stepp on the wow forums:


Considering the lack of diversity of weapons out there, you want 2.6/2.6 MH/OH

Snorkle from the Euro forums posted this as proof:


Don't really know what to make of this. If you were to MH a 2.6 weapon you would be taking something way inferior to dragonmaw unless it was an arena weapon. I guess the issue here is if you take something 2.6 speed, does the lower quality of item (but better speed) make up for the missed WF chances?

 

Omaris

in that quote, snorkle says that using a 2.7/2.6 MH/OH will equal 5.12% less windfuries or a total of 1.02% lower proc chance.

So how much less DPS is that going to give me? and is it worth main handing an arena weapon, and offhand a HWL weapon (level 70 blue version) over T3 BS MH/Arena offhand (2.7/2.6).

My biggest concern is in the end will I have to farm out two arena weapons, because as it stands, I get obliterated in arenas. I was somewhat hoping after I bought my first arena weapon that I could then start working on armor so my team wouldn't have to play 4v5 rofl.

and like you said, does the lower quality weapon with better speed > better quality weapon with worse speed? And at what point do you say no? Should we all be walking around with Deathbringers in our offhand because its a 2.9 speed even though its an inferior weapon?