Sebudai

128 attack power (x 1 = 128 AEP)
4.42 crit rating (x 2 = 8.84 AEP)

total: 136.84 AEP

50 hit rating (x 1.4 = 70 AEP)

total: 70 AEP

If you don't know what AEP is, the first post in this thread has all of the information you need. It will make your gear decisions much easier.

I currently have 82 total hit rating, and at one point it was a lot lower. 103 is just fine. Hit rating gems are never the correct choice.

 

Spamy

I'm not completely enhancement-braindead but I was wondering if 103 was too low causing me to miss more than I should be, thanks though

 

Muj

Has there been any theory crafting on ignore armor stats? I picked up a choker of serrated blades tonight from Bt and I like the look of it so far while being on Gorefiend.. if there has been some speculation could someone point me towards a post or a page number, thanks.

 

Hephaustus

As far as I understand, armor penetration isnt a "linear progression" as is attack power, crit, or hit. This makes modeling it very difficult because the value gained from armor pen is based on the armor of the mob you are attacking. Against a mob with lower base armor, armor pen increases your damage a lot more then against a mob with higher base armor. This is because of the way that armor scales (i.e. as you get more armor the amount of mitigation per point of armor decreases.)

This presents a problem because armor isnt universal or available client-side, and it is difficult or impossible to accurately calculate a mobs armor without a LOT of data. That being said, i'd love to see some models/math for it, but sadly im not the man to do it.

Also I do not know whether or not mobs are allowed to go into negative armor.

 

Bullworth

On the main page there is a link for Pawn, a customizable item calculator that helps in a weighted item decisions. I for one enjoy a GUI interface for my UI and looked for an alternative for Pawn and ran across ItemValue an ACE2 add-on (forum discussion), which for me wasn't working until a recent patch by the author. It has a simple input for flat values calculations, i.e. linear strings similar to Pawn equations. In addition this add-on has the option of non-linear equations for calculating stat values, which some stats seem to have.

 

Yo!

Here you go Crazy Shaman's DPS & AEP calculator (c) Yo
And, no - mobs are not allowed to go into negative armor. So if your raid somehow manages to bring boss to 0 armor -armor will produce 0 benefit.

 

Hedin

Looking through Rogue DPS Thread I found a link to post http://elitistjerks.com/469576-post500.html where new Miss % and Weapon skill explained. It could be added to the 1st post.
We get 28%(!!!) misses on bosses.

WF3sec Ace2 - Shows WindFury and Stormstrike cooldowns.

 

hellraiser

With the upcomming haste nerf, is Dragonstrike still n1 mainhand for a enhancement shammy?
or would it be beter with Rising Tide in MH and Syphon of the Nathrezim in OH?

 

• Disquette

I'm glad this matches up with observered results - It was a bit disconcerting that rogues and shaman seemed to have different hit caps. It's pleasing to know that this (weird) formula explains the odd effects of weapon skill producing effects that explain the discrepencies.

And yes, I'll be keeping my belt of 1000 deaths :-)

 

• Krish

Yo,

The simulator you've put together should prove quite a bit more useful for quick calculations and adjustments than was previously available, so a big thanks. I am having one small issue which is preventing me from using it to its fullest. I currently use a Mac, and the default text for the Java applet is perhaps larger than the Windows default. This is pushing much of the text (and especially the resulting AEP values) outside the visible bounds of the Java frame. It also means the text boxes into which stats are entered do not show the whole number. I don't seem to be able to figure a way around this on the client side, but if you have a suggestion or could fix the server side, that would be a fantastic help to us Mac users.

Thanks so much,

Kresh

 

Muj

Why would you consider that? Honestly it amazes me why people don't want to go for double Syphons, it has 365 top end damage, the proc rate is about 15 ppm in a raid and it would allow for the best possible stormstrike and windfury crits in the game for us as a class...

 

Yo!

Thanks for this info. Can you post a screenshot so I will see how it appears on Macs?

I modelled it using this shaman (applied raid buffs to him too) and it looks so that Belt of One-Hundred Deaths - Items - World of Warcraft would benefit him more (1061 dps) than his Valestalker Girdle - Items - World of Warcraft (1059 dps) even though his off-hand is an axe. If he would wear mace in off-hand his expected dps would be 1069.

By the way - all critical switches and detailed report are available now in Crazy Shaman's DPS & AEP calculator (c) Yo in hope that you will come and play with it for some time Disquette as your other bug-report helped greatly

 

Kreltok

Even with the +23 top end damage over dragonstrike and the proc, is that enough to make up for the loss of the haste proc from dragonstrike?

 

Malan

I still can't get your sim to run on my Mac G5 Yo, even after updating to the absolute latest java stuff from Sun/Apple, in either Firefox or Safari.

Shitting up every single thread on EJ since '06

 

• Krish

Malan,

I had this same problem. The fix is to go to Apple Developer Connection and download the beta of Java 6. You'll want to read the file that describes how to go into java prefs and drag Java 6 to the top of the list for loading. Took me a good 20 minutes to figure out that solution, so I hope it helps. As for a screenshot the site seems to be down at the moment, but I'll try to provide one soon.

- Kresh

 

Shamif

Is there a point where your mainhand can outgear your offhand to a point where you should switch to a fast offhand with FT?

I am asking because I am currently using dragonmaw (soon dragonstrike) and the 2.6 blue pvp mace.

Is there a point where your 70somethin dps offhand stealing WF procs from your 100ish MH Can cause lower dps than a slow/WF fast(20+ dps higher)/FT?

Armory link
The Armory

I have a malca rotting in my bank for skillups
dont gimme the get a epic offhand thing we are working on al'ar

 

Igniter

DO NOT SPEAK OF FLAMETOUNGE HERE.

 

Malan

I don't even understand what that question means. It looks like a thinly veiled request to rationalize the use of FT.

Shitting up every single thread on EJ since '06

 

Tornhoof

I compared your most recent version of your sim against my model. They pretty much match the DPS now, difference is in the ~3% range with the default values, which is well in the expected range of assumed ideal distributions on my end.
You're UR & flurry uptime is very close to mine (again ~2%) compared to my most recent flurry model (which basically ignores the stormstrike "help" for now, since I'll probably change the stormstrike modelling a bit).


So as far as I've seen it, you're sim is looking real nice from the modelling point of view.

http://code.google.com/p/wowequipoptimizer/

 

Malan

Ok Yo, got your sim finally working on my mac, here's how it looks on a mac in firefox.
You can see that all the stuff on the right is getting cut off.

Attached Thumbnails

 

Shitting up every single thread on EJ since '06

 

◊ Shalas

The basic problem with your question is that you are assuming that the MH proc rate is significantly lower with double WF than with MH only WF, but with a 2.6 speed OH this is not true due to that the proc rate per swing goes from 20% to 36% with double WF. If you are using a slow OH, it doesn't "steal" MH procs in the first place.

 

Stekespade

Yes, it's one more of those who haven't bothered looking through 90~ pages and 2,3k~ posts having a question!

I have failed to find a searching mechanic on the forum and I couldn't find anything about it on the main page. What about 2xSyphon for a shaman?

 

◊ Rob

I think that your sim is working a lot better now. I am seeing values more in-line with what I expected. At 2650 AP, 33% Crit, 17.37% Hit, 0 Haste/-AC I got:
AP = 1
CR = 2.08
HitR = 1.65
HasteR = 1.1
-AC = 0.27
STR = 2.2
AGI = 2.02
These all seem like fairly reasonable values, I am surprised that Haste is so low but I also think that was the least-well-supported AEP we created initially. My initial reaction was to think that was a high value for -AC but that means the -175 AC on [Choker of Serrated Blades] is worth 47 AP, so Blizzard may have the item budget for this stat in about the right spot, comparing to [Choker of Endless Nightmares]. We'd expect the former to be worth 35+37*2/3+47/2 = 83 item budget points and the latter to be worth 21+27+36 = 84 points (ignoring the effect that stat stacking has on item budget). My DPS does come out a little low (997), so perhaps the default value of 4400 mob armor is a little high.

 

• Disquette

Thanks for all the updates guys. I'm sorry if this counts as a "useless post", but I believe in public thanks ;-)

 

• Krish

Fixed my own issue.