Anyone know anything about PPM nerf? http://elitistjerks.com/471929-post525.html
Is proc chance going to be calculated on current speed not the base one? Thay are killing haste in every way :-(

According to tests, its same as on live, no?

I thought I had read that the ppm is same on live as on test, can't seem to find the post, but i'm sure it was in this thread.

alright, I see.

If you have being keeping track of this thread for weeks how can you possibly ask about hitrating? It only gets asked twice per page of this thread.

Never ever socket hit gems

You get enough hit through your talents + the hit rating alot of items have.

Good day everyone.

I'm a rogue captain in my guild and we don't have a lot of shaman, so currently we're aligning them with their roles rather than a specific class captain. As such, the enhancement shammies are under my watch.

I currently have one shaman who is, putting it plainly, a complete pain in the arse. We essentially have to badger him for several minutes to get him to use WF over GOA.

Our Melee DPS group usually includes:
3 Rogues (all combat daggers - thanks Karazhan for that total lack of OH swords!)
1 DPS Warrior or BM Hunter
1 Feral Druid in cat form

What I don't understand is:

How much is he gimping his personal DPS here to use WF over GOA? I know how much of a gain it is for a rogue, but I know next to nothing about shammie DPS (hence my consulting you wise folks).

Thanks.

@Misanthrope - His personal DPS gain from GoA is nowhere near what the Warrior is losing by not having WF.

Now, on the days where you have no warrior, and your group is Hunter/Feral/Rogues/Shaman, I would recommend GoA. But if the warrior is there? WF, hands down, no excuse.



@Yo! - Whatever you changed to your sim recently, I am unable to view the AEP values on both Linux and OS X in Firefox, the applet cuts off the portion of the display where the AEP values should be. DPS values for my gear seem pretty damn reasonable for a high level armor mob.

How are you fitting 6 people in the melee DPS group? :P

GoA is only worth a few % of crit for the shaman. He'll lose maybe 4% of his damage (and that's extremely generous) for a 20% increase in main hand damage for all the rogues and warriors. If you have 3 rogues or a warrior and two rogues in the group, Windfury is still the best option by quite a lot.

As of next patch haste rating is being nerfed, so my simple qeustionis, would Dragonstrike still the best mainhand for a enhancement shammy?
or would it be beter with Rising Tide in MH and Syphon of the Nathrezim in OH? or 2xSyphon of the Nathrezim?

I think we've now asked that question twice per day, once per page for the last 10 days.

Cant back this up with math atm, but I'm fairly confident that this isnt true anymore post nerf. Iirc, the combat dagger spreadsheet already had a very small difference between GoA and WF (because combat dagger has less yellow hits than combat sword), now with rogue yellow hits not proccing WF at all, GoA should be very very close.

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For him personally it obviously is, since WF totem does nothing for HIM. But you bring an enhance shaman to buff his group mainly, everything extra (personal dps) is less important.

As said, GoA is at best 4% of his dps, while its ALOT more for warriors alone. Once you have just 1 warrior in a group, WF totem will add more dps for just that warrior than GoA would for the entire group probably.

He's wrong. His personal DPS is sure as hell not going to improve as much as *only* the warrior would gain from WF Totem, and definitely not as much as 2 rogues + Warrior with WF.

So what you are saying, Malan, is that Windfury is the right totem under the right circumstances, but not others?

Did you read the first post?

What upcoming nerf? they're nerfing it again?

The damage from WFT procs will easily beat out the DPS gained from another chunk of agility. If he doesn't drop WFT for that group, he isn't worth bringing over another DPS class.

Windfury is still better by the end of Kara, and the gap widens as gear improves. Poison damage is static; Windfury will do more damage as weapons improve and AP increases, and simply by virtue of having the enhancement shaman in the group, the Rogues will have 10% more AP.

Well if i knew the anwser i wouldend of asked, i'm sorry the last 10 pages back i visit i see is full of calculations i cant seem to understand it hence i'm asking it the easy way

Using Yo!'s sim and my stats: 2xSyphon > Syphon/RT > RT/Syphon but the difference is about 0.5-1% in DPS. I know it's not the answer for the viability of Dragonstrike.

Since the WF totem nerf rogues in my grp have been getting between 4.5-6.5% of thier total damage from WF (they are mace/sword rogues), never paid any attention to the warrior in grp but I'd guestimate 10%ish (MS spec). So 3x rogue + warrior = maybe 25% more dmg for them vs 3-4% personal gain from GoA.

Doesn't take a genius to see which is better.

Hi, I'm currently using the Dragonstrike... I have all the mats for the Dragonmaw and 4 Vortexes (but only 1 mongoose)... Should I just wait to see if I get a Vortex tonight in SSC or upgrade now and slap a +20 STR on it?

Your shaman also has the option of 'twisting' both Windfury and GoA and gaining the benefits of both of them!