Patrik

Actually it shows me values from 0.29 up to 0.36 per point, but it's because I'm trying different -armor items and I'm not using 4400 as boss armor value. I was trying to measure bosses armor with TargetArmor addon few days back and in showed values from 5000 (Gurtogg) to 2500 (Reliquary of Souls), with average value being around 3300-3500 (Illidan for example). These values are after Sunder Armor, CoR and Faerie fire. Of course that addon is not accurate, but I've tried it with few friends in duels and it seemed not to differ for more than 15% from actual values.

I believe WF procs also show on your Character pane for a split second? If the difference is around ap bonus of WF, then it might have been that too.

 

Stigmata

Oh dear, how did I forget the static buffs.

My BS total is as Nemaa pointed out with the warrior trinket.

So 3151 + 220 (not inproved since I get 5 min might) + 14 from motw (not sure what imp motw is) + 78 from kings = 3449 + UR = 3793

Still can't see how i've got to 3917.

Heres the SS



I never had any T5 so i've no point of reference, and in comparison to non set items, I'm not sure either, if/when they drop and I get them then I will be able to test out the differences, but at the moment i'm very happy with the results.

EDIT: and before anyone comments, yes my UI is a complete shit tip.

 

• Toots Hepcat

Haste isn't any less important -- Bliz has just increased the amount of HR needed to increase a percentage point of haste.

This decreases the AEP. However, the AEP of a PERCENTAGE of haste should be the same...2.2AEP/HR * 10.5 HR/% == 1.4 AEP/HR * 15.8 HR/% == ~22 AEP / %. To get the value of 5% flurry, divide 110 by your uptime.

Is there some equation to figure out flurry uptime given crit chance, hit rating and weapon speed?

Stig, I think your UI is fine (though I use and love Enhancer). Your guild chat, however, looks pretty annoying .

 

Stigmata

That would be officer/raid and paladin channel

 

◊ Malan

A rogue on my guild internal forums posted a reply to a thread saying that he "heard" that windfury totem is getting a cooldown in the 2.2 patch - that was a new one for me. Is there any truth to that? I asked for followup info, links etc, but haven't had a reply yet.

Vyktianity already has over 75 billion followers. The first verse in his book "Gift of the Wild" is "In the beginning Vyk cast lifebloom and then maul."

 

• Nite_Moogle

5 minute might is improved too -- 44 more AP. Improved MoTW is 18 strength, so 22 AP more. That's 66 you aren't accounting for, which still isn't enough..

[Carebare]: I'd rather not fit through doorways than be a troll

 

Mox

Improved battle shout with solarian trinket is 470 AP, not 450.

 

◊ Malan

If tooltips for these buffs actually reflected the talents people have, figuring this stuff out in-game would be a lot easier.

Vyktianity already has over 75 billion followers. The first verse in his book "Gift of the Wild" is "In the beginning Vyk cast lifebloom and then maul."

 

Shawndreya

Your math is all wrong, look:

Your total strength from items is 364
+19 STR from GOTW
+20 STR from food
+97 STR from SoE
+10% from kings

[top] ~1100 AP from Strength
+934 AP static from items
+286 from BoM
+120 from Flask
+70 from T6
+275 from ashtongue
+340 from Tsunami

3125 AP

Now this is where it got tedious, after running the formula a few times it appears that your warrior has the solarian trinket and 3/5 talented Imp BS.

so that is:
305
+70 from trinket
+15%

[top] 431 AP from BS

3125
+431

3556 AP
+10% from Unleashed rage

=3911 AP

Add in the points that were rounded off during the percentages and you should be around 3917ish

 

Stigmata

Ah thanks

 

Shawndreya

Haha np, You just gotta keep everything in order.

 

Suazo

edit:
I'm silly

 

◊ Malan

You misread what he said. He said that the haste change decreases the AEP value of Haste Rating. Then he goes on to say that the haste bonus from the T5 is Haste Percentage, not Rating, and is therefore not changed by the 2.2 Patch.

Vyktianity already has over 75 billion followers. The first verse in his book "Gift of the Wild" is "In the beginning Vyk cast lifebloom and then maul."

 

rava

The numbers are a bit off, there's some kind of str->ap base deficit(without gear I am at 103 str but only gaining 186 ap from it) as well as 140 base ap that I'm too stupid to know where it came from.

 

Shawndreya

I don't know... I'll probably trade out for t6 later on. With the 2.3 changes 76% reduced mana cost on shocks would be insane. We are still stuck on KT for the time being. Which something has been troubling me, should I use devastation? or OH the dagger. If going with the dagger what enchant should be used because it's kinda fast for WF no?

 

Shawndreya

I'll be damned it looks like 1 STR =/= 2 AP anymore

 

tetracycloide

I don't think this phenomena is unique to shaman nor to the STR to AP conversion because I've been running into the same problems as a warlock trying to convert my INT into spell crit. I suspect that at some point scaling was adjusted on stats so that the conversions cap at the neat ratios we're used at high stat levels but at low stat levels you get less. I can but speculate as to what the function for conversion looks like or why it was done this way instead of just having fixed ratios.

My vanity is justified.

Multiple classes using the same gear is an excellent idea. Just the other day I was thinking to myself 'Not enough toons look identical with arena and tier sets looking the same, we need more appearance homogenization.'

 

Platt

I have noticed that the str to AP is actually

(103-10) x 2 = 186 AP

It seems this way for all stats (str, agi, int, etc.) I've noticed it on all classes. But essentially, 1 str= 2 ap still.

 

◊ Malan

Post it as a bug report on the PTR forum perhaps, see what they say.

Vyktianity already has over 75 billion followers. The first verse in his book "Gift of the Wild" is "In the beginning Vyk cast lifebloom and then maul."

 

Shawndreya

It's not just on PTR, I checked my live stats and they are altered as well. Was this just recently hotfixed in?

 

◊ Malan

I know that, I suggested the PTR because that bug forum actually gets read and responded to by Hortus, whereas good luck getting a response on the normal forums.

Vyktianity already has over 75 billion followers. The first verse in his book "Gift of the Wild" is "In the beginning Vyk cast lifebloom and then maul."

 

Shawndreya

Touché salesman.

 

• Disquette

You have a base Crit chance, independent of your agility, I don't see why Str and AP would be any difference.

Every naked Shaman (maybe every naked toon across any class) has 4.11% crit chance.

As you add agility, it scales up at the 1agi = 1/25 crit (rounded). This is why some people thought that Agi gave a better crit rate than crit rating, point for point, with kings. The base naked Agi to Crit conversion is better than 1 : 25, which influenced the overall rate. They didn't understand that the overall rate means nothing, only the 1:25 rate does when gearing themselves.

So, you're probably just seeing the defaults. If you add a +str item, I'd bet large sums of money that you get 2 ap for each str on the item still.

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Leveret

I'm pretty sure the translation from base stats to secondary stats have always been a linear equation with a slope and an intercept. For example for a level 70 druid: %crit = 0.0125*int + 1.85. And from what Platt said, it seems for shaman AP = 2*str - 20. I wouldn't be surprised if similar equations exist for all base stats. Unfortunately it seems not only is the slope different for each class, the intercept is different too.

 

Mbuzi

It has been this way for a very long time (2005?) and has been stated not to be a bug. Note when you level you will gain stats and these stats will not correspond to an equivalent increase in HP, mana, or other stat based values. i.e. you'll gain 5 int but not 50 mana. These starting stats and stats based off of leveling seem to be only for show. I never really understood why they did this as it's a somewhat confusing mechanic.