This situation kinda came up for us and probably will again so I'd like to throw out this question. For a setup with 1 Resto Shaman, 3 Combat Rogues, and 3 Fire Mages, which group would get the most dps benefit from that shaman.

So the rogues will likely be getting the Windfury, and Strength of Earth.

And Mages will get the Inspiring Presence, Wrath of Air, and Mana Tide.

Also, would putting a shadow priest in the mage group affect the setup?

The rogues will see more benefit than the mages. Fury Warriors will see more benefit than either.

About 2 weeks ago, I did a comparison of SOE + Windfury with 3 rogues and a warrior. The rogues each gained about 100 dps (more like 60 when u remove goa/poison mh) and the warrior gains nearly 220. So that's about a 400 dps increase from a resto shaman in a melee group.

I'm not quite sure about the effects of a wrath of air totem for a mage group, but shouldn't a shadow priest be the ideal source of mana for a mage group instead of a resto shaman?

The melee group, especially when it includes a warrior, will benefit more from the totems a resto shaman can drop than the caster DPS group. If we were talking about an elemental shaman (w/ Totem of Wrath) then it would be a slightly closer comparisson.

I have a question about shaman group setups. Let's say you're doing a 25 man raid, and you have a MT Group setup of say like... 2 Protection Wars, 1 Resto Druid (High Spirit Build for Aura), and 1 Warlock (for Blood Pact), would it be theoretically sound to have a Shaman in this group? If yes, what type of shaman would be optimal in the group? Also, what all totems should this shaman be dropping? (Most importantly, WF vs GoA if a shaman should indeed be placed into this group)

Basically I'm looking for more information, and I'm honestly a bit too lazy to dig through the 100+ pages thread that is the Enhancement Shaman thread.

Thanks in advance!

That's a shame, cause that's where the answer lies.

I would recommend using the search function. It's there for a reason.

Well, thanks for at least pointing me at the "search option" this site features.

Now for my smartass response... sorry for assuming that I could ask a question about shaman placements for group setups in the SHAMAN GROUP SETUP forum, MY SINCERE APOLOGIES.

There, now that I've vented about how retarded the responses are that I've received concerning a simple question, I'll go to the search option and see what I dig up. Thx for nothing.

Basically you expect others to make an effort for you because you are too lazy to make an effort for yourself. When people comment on this show of bad form in what I think is a pretty polite, if perhaps a bit cynical manner, you proceed to call them retarded and put up a recalcitrant attitude. What gives?

Other than that I'd have to agree with the comment about the elemental shaman. I'd put a shaman with the rogues before I'd put them with the mages, but I think you would also need to consider the needs of the shaman himself. Does he need a shadow priest to be effective, for example? If so, putting him with the rogues might impact his own performance in such a way that the added dps rogues give over the mages when grouped with the shaman, ends up not being worth it on a raidwide scale.

Neither comment helped in any way whatsoever. Also, I did the search, and I dug through that forum, and actually, the answer is not there, because the question goes above and beyond just an enhancement shaman. The question is more in depth than just what the enhancement shaman forums have to offer.

I admitted to being lazy about surfing that board mostly because I was looking for just an answer, and not smartass comments in return, which is the only thing I've received. Do people only read one part of my initial post and assume that they are free to say whatever then, completely disregarding anything previously stated, and does this also exclude them from thinking "hey, maybe his question doesn't only involve enhancement shamans, but maybe, just maybe, ANY type of shaman?" (And if you read the initial post, I didn't only include enhancement shamans)

I'm looking for an intelligent answer, and I know for a fact I am asking the right question in the right forum, so what gives these people the right to act like they have towards my simple questions? Because I don't want to troll an enhancement shaman only forum about group setups (When I very easily understand what groups that a strictly enhancement shaman goes into) when trying to discuss a group setup involving guild tanks? Please. These people haven't even attempted to use their god given intelligence, and instead, have chosen to use their keen form of sarcasm and dry, unappreciated sense of wit.

They are strictly flaming the question, so please, don't attempt to defend their statements as if it's "okay".

Welcome to EJ.

This is not ye olde typical form.

Search, and don't be a dumbarse.

Case & point: Searching for "Shaman" and "Totem" in class mechanics forum gives the following:
[Shaman] Melee group totem choice on page three
http://elitistjerks.com/f40/t10816-totems_groups/ on page four

EJ is not a "I'm going to post something here to find an answer" forum. It's a "we've most likely answered your question ages ago, in triplicate, and don't feel it is needed to repeat ourselves multiple times for the benefit of those that can't search correctly" forum.

I think the data point you are missing is numbers on the synergy that the shaman adds to the caster DPS group. If you, instead, made a post that said something along the lines of: "I went through the enhancement thread and found these numbers (then you list the numbers) when the shaman has improved (weapon/stat/both) totems, but what about..." but you are, instead, choosing a condescending tone.

It is unfortunate that there is not a single place to find contributions based on spec for shaman totems, and group setup. Perhaps if you started consoldating the information, we could get discussion going, and maybe end up with something worthy of a Wiki entry, but, again...it's all in the approach.

I would still make the argument, though, that if you have one Shaman in a raid, regardless of spec, the biggest Raid-DPS increase will be seen by dropping them in a Windfury group. Nothing touches the benefit that Windfury gives, in the proper group. If there is a DPS warrior involved, it's pretty-much a no-brainer.

I think a different approach to this thread would probably yield some good information, but sparring back and forth is going to do us no good.

Look, not to be mean and trying to flame back because this is getting absolutely retarded, but Both of your links are 100% NOT helpful towards the question I have asked. (And btw, the "Totems and Groups" forum that you linked me to, only has 2 total pages, so you're reference to page 4 is a complete bust)

My question relates to MT Groups, NOT MELEE DPS GROUPS, Period. I understand that WF is better than GoA for warriors, rogues, etc for melee dps groups.

Wake up, read, and stop attempting to flame me when not one single person has said anything coherent other than "go look for yourself!" when not a single person has pointed me in a right direction yet.

Shamans... MT Groups (Could possibly be the biggest part that noone seems to understand)... and then totems for these style of groups... does anyone have a "correct direction" for me yet? Because not one single search is coming up positive on this answer, and therefore I must assume that it hasn't yet been covered, or was deleted, or placed into a hidden thread, and in any of those scenario's, I CANT JUST LOOK IT UP MYSELF.

Thanks.

Thank You for your assistance sir, it is appreciated beyond belief.

@ Wild_mage

The issue isn't so much about wether or no they have a right to post the comments they did, but about wether or no you have a right to demand the answers you want and how you respond when you don't get them. It's something for a mod to deal with if anything, but I don't think you're going to get anywhere on these boards with an attitude like that.

So the suggestion at hand is that I should allow myself to be bullied by players who are acting like "hot shit" when my question has obviously never been asked before? That sounds extremely apathetic, and I'm not one to get run over by people who act before they think. You say "demanding answers", but the only thing I have done is defend myself against flames from people who are apparently wrong, and yet at the same time continue the question at hand, because I feel it's a question worth being looked into.

No, I will not allow myself to be bullied by people who are wrong. Yes, I will defend myself against these types of tactics employed by players who lack the intelligence to attempt to understand the question before flaming away. And my sincere apologies that they (and others) don't happen to like it. I am not a person who refuses to admit defeat, and if there really was an answer posted before that can easily be pointed out (by search or otherwise) then I will gladly apologize for being wrong, but that has not happened, and I don't expect that it will since I have used the search engine myself and come up with nothing but blanks.

So continue to backup the flamers, everyone who would do so, but flaming without any real answers is ultimately similar to saying you are right about a theory in this game without providing any proof at all, which is something this board seems to be very much against.

*EDIT ADDIN* By the way, if you think my attitude is bad, then you are severely ignoring the fact that it took multiple posts from people blindly flaming my question before I got to this point.

I'm only posting this because I don't want anyone to believe your claim that the question hasn't been asked/answered before:

From the FIRST POST of the enhancement shaman thread (and yes, it applies to all shaman specs, since enhancement spec won't really change anything in this light (even if you have mana tide or totem of wrath, those are the two elements that don't conflict with the totem choices listed below):

Honestly, the hostility that you've gotten is because of your attitude - compiling this information was really easy from the information provided on these boards, and it literally took me 20 seconds to grab the info.

Page three and four of the search. There were five pages total.

Also, there is no "correct direction". If there are agro issues, WF/SoE may help. If there aren't, then a paladin/druid/lock/MT/OT combo may be more useful. If you need more dps, having a shaman in the MT group with none in the rogue/melee group is a waste.

There is never going to be a clearcut "if x then do y" answer for shaman grouping and totem use.

This thread has gone off on a dumb tangent. Here's what you all did wrong

- Refusal to read the first post of the enh shaman thread (Seriously, you could've answered half of your question with the first post of that thread)
- "Use search function dummy" contributes nothing, especially when the question being asked is very specific
- Wild Mage reacts to backseat modding, makes more angry posts, thread destroyed.