This situation kinda came up for us and probably will again so I'd like to throw out this question. For a setup with 1 Resto Shaman, 3 Combat Rogues, and 3 Fire Mages, which group would get the most dps benefit from that shaman.

So the rogues will likely be getting the Windfury, and Strength of Earth.

And Mages will get the Inspiring Presence, Wrath of Air, and Mana Tide.

Also, would putting a shadow priest in the mage group affect the setup?

About 2 weeks ago, I did a comparison of SOE + Windfury with 3 rogues and a warrior. The rogues each gained about 100 dps (more like 60 when u remove goa/poison mh) and the warrior gains nearly 220. So that's about a 400 dps increase from a resto shaman in a melee group.

I'm not quite sure about the effects of a wrath of air totem for a mage group, but shouldn't a shadow priest be the ideal source of mana for a mage group instead of a resto shaman?

The melee group, especially when it includes a warrior, will benefit more from the totems a resto shaman can drop than the caster DPS group. If we were talking about an elemental shaman (w/ Totem of Wrath) then it would be a slightly closer comparisson.

I have a question about shaman group setups. Let's say you're doing a 25 man raid, and you have a MT Group setup of say like... 2 Protection Wars, 1 Resto Druid (High Spirit Build for Aura), and 1 Warlock (for Blood Pact), would it be theoretically sound to have a Shaman in this group? If yes, what type of shaman would be optimal in the group? Also, what all totems should this shaman be dropping? (Most importantly, WF vs GoA if a shaman should indeed be placed into this group)

Basically I'm looking for more information, and I'm honestly a bit too lazy to dig through the 100+ pages thread that is the Enhancement Shaman thread.

Thanks in advance!

can you tell me what page? I don't have time to dig through 100+ pages, and would much appreciate a link or just a simple answer.

I would recommend using the search function. It's there for a reason.

Well, thanks for at least pointing me at the "search option" this site features.

Now for my smartass response... sorry for assuming that I could ask a question about shaman placements for group setups in the SHAMAN GROUP SETUP forum, MY SINCERE APOLOGIES.

There, now that I've vented about how retarded the responses are that I've received concerning a simple question, I'll go to the search option and see what I dig up. Thx for nothing.

Neither comment helped in any way whatsoever. Also, I did the search, and I dug through that forum, and actually, the answer is not there, because the question goes above and beyond just an enhancement shaman. The question is more in depth than just what the enhancement shaman forums have to offer.

I admitted to being lazy about surfing that board mostly because I was looking for just an answer, and not smartass comments in return, which is the only thing I've received. Do people only read one part of my initial post and assume that they are free to say whatever then, completely disregarding anything previously stated, and does this also exclude them from thinking "hey, maybe his question doesn't only involve enhancement shamans, but maybe, just maybe, ANY type of shaman?" (And if you read the initial post, I didn't only include enhancement shamans)

I'm looking for an intelligent answer, and I know for a fact I am asking the right question in the right forum, so what gives these people the right to act like they have towards my simple questions? Because I don't want to troll an enhancement shaman only forum about group setups (When I very easily understand what groups that a strictly enhancement shaman goes into) when trying to discuss a group setup involving guild tanks? Please. These people haven't even attempted to use their god given intelligence, and instead, have chosen to use their keen form of sarcasm and dry, unappreciated sense of wit.

They are strictly flaming the question, so please, don't attempt to defend their statements as if it's "okay".

Welcome to EJ.

This is not ye olde typical form.

Search, and don't be a dumbarse.

Case & point: Searching for "Shaman" and "Totem" in class mechanics forum gives the following:
[Shaman] Melee group totem choice on page three
http://elitistjerks.com/f40/t10816-totems_groups/ on page four

EJ is not a "I'm going to post something here to find an answer" forum. It's a "we've most likely answered your question ages ago, in triplicate, and don't feel it is needed to repeat ourselves multiple times for the benefit of those that can't search correctly" forum.

Now I usually find it very annoying when people ask questions that have already been answered somewhere else in the thread and I'm kind split on how I feel this one. On one side the question he asked was has not been asked yet in this thread and the whole point of this thread is Shaman group setup, but on the other side he admits to being a lazy ass.

Just prevent this question from arising again. The answer is;

You definitely want a shaman in the tanking group, because it will increase the TPS a tank puts out by a decent amount. Therefore allowing dps to push harder. He should use SoE, WF (or GoA incase a druid is MT) for the tanks.

Look, not to be mean and trying to flame back because this is getting absolutely retarded, but Both of your links are 100% NOT helpful towards the question I have asked. (And btw, the "Totems and Groups" forum that you linked me to, only has 2 total pages, so you're reference to page 4 is a complete bust)

My question relates to MT Groups, NOT MELEE DPS GROUPS, Period. I understand that WF is better than GoA for warriors, rogues, etc for melee dps groups.

Wake up, read, and stop attempting to flame me when not one single person has said anything coherent other than "go look for yourself!" when not a single person has pointed me in a right direction yet.

Shamans... MT Groups (Could possibly be the biggest part that noone seems to understand)... and then totems for these style of groups... does anyone have a "correct direction" for me yet? Because not one single search is coming up positive on this answer, and therefore I must assume that it hasn't yet been covered, or was deleted, or placed into a hidden thread, and in any of those scenario's, I CANT JUST LOOK IT UP MYSELF.

Thanks.