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Old 06/25/07, 5:00 PM   #1
Sunchips
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Holy Priest 2-Piece Tier 5

Once I got my second piece, I noticed a massive increase in regen and longevity; it was to the point where I was almost never using super mana pots. I'm a firm believer that if you're not chugging them, you could increase your stats elsewhere. Its to the point where I've been dropping mp5 in gobs for more +healing and stamina.

Just wondering if anyone has done any theorycrafting into how much mp5 the set bonus can equate to.

For numbers sake, I went from 402/172 mp5 to 409/148 mp5 (some of the gear I changed had more spirit. That's why the non-casting number went up). It still seems as if I could drop more while casting mp5.

Thoughts and feedback on this set-bonus would be appreciated.

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Old 06/25/07, 5:17 PM   #2
Molice
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Its 100 mana per cast (best case). Greater Heal with 5/5 Divine Fury is a 2.5 second cast .. so that comes out to 2 Greater Heal casts per 5 seconds, or 2 x 100 mana per 5 seconds = 200MP5.

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Old 06/25/07, 6:37 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by Molice View Post
Its 100 mana per cast (best case). Greater Heal with 5/5 Divine Fury is a 2.5 second cast .. so that comes out to 2 Greater Heal casts per 5 seconds, or 2 x 100 mana per 5 seconds = 200MP5.
That's a moot point. If you are chain casting GH and overhealing on each and every single cast, something is wrong.

I think this is a very decent set bonus though. It gets a lot of criticism because it rewards poor play, but I think overheal occurs naturally and is inevitable. Unfortunately, I don't have this bonus, but looking forward to getting it.

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Old 06/25/07, 7:11 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by Bokchoy View Post
If you are chain casting GH and overhealing on each and every single cast, something is wrong.
That would depend largely on the encounter, and the healing tactics of your fellow healers. As you mentioned yourself, overhealing is inevitable. And chain casting GHeal certainly isn't always a poor tactic. It is a good (and necessary) complement to reactionary healing, because it provides far greater sustained raw HPS compared to any other form of single target healing.

It gets a lot of criticism because it rewards poor play
That would depend on your definition of poor play. In my book, poor play is pure reactionary healing. This set bonus emphasizes just the opposite: chain casting GHeal, even if at the start of your 2.5 second cast the tank is full health.

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Old 06/26/07, 12:38 AM   #5
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A few tangential questions.

The priest set bonuses seem backwards to me. I would much rather have priest tier 4 4/5 bonus than tier 5 2/5 bonus, although I do not have 2 pieces of tier 5 yet.

I am curious as to whether healing priests in Hyjal and BT switch between tier 4 and tier 5 depending on the encounter.

If one was to get tier 5 or 6, which gem would you lean towards for the yellow sockets?

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Old 06/26/07, 1:51 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by Irise View Post

I am curious as to whether healing priests in Hyjal and BT switch between tier 4 and tier 5 depending on the encounter.
i dont think so

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Old 06/26/07, 1:54 PM   #7
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I can't contribute a lot of mathcrafting, but I got my 2nd piece yesterday and its fuckin awesome

It is the best setbonus ever designed \o/

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Old 06/26/07, 1:58 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by Irise View Post
The priest set bonuses seem backwards to me. I would much rather have priest tier 4 4/5 bonus than tier 5 2/5 bonus, although I do not have 2 pieces of tier 5 yet.
T4 4/5 sort of implies you're casting mostly Flash Heals and a few Greater Heals for spike recovery. While this might make sense pre-1.10, when Flash Heal was the staple raid heal, it really doesn't make sense now.

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Old 06/26/07, 2:14 PM   #9
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Edit: Nvm. Too much time playing my mage.

Last edited by Icecreamshop : 06/26/07 at 2:27 PM. Reason: Link theorycraft assumption

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Old 06/26/07, 2:24 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by Icecreamshop View Post
Remember the global cooldown and latency. Assuming you get the intended result, at best it's 125mp5.
Global cooldown fires at the start of a cast, not at the end. So yes, if you had 0ms latency (granted, impossible) or perfect timing with a /stopcasting macro you could cast two GHeals per 5 seconds. You're implying that you can't chaincast GHeal?

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Old 06/26/07, 2:24 PM   #11
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The global cooldown doesn't effect the casting rate of GHeal at all. The GCD is long over by the time you finish casting a 2.5s spell.

Latency would indeed alter the results, but I really think the base assumption that every cast overheals introduces way more error to an estimation of its value than lag does.

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Old 06/26/07, 2:26 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by Icecreamshop View Post
Working Theories of Theorycrafting as of 2.1
Remember the global cooldown and latency. Assuming you get the intended result at best it's 125mp5.
125mp5 = 25 mana/sec = 100 mana/4 sec.

Umm...that's just...bizarrely wrong. The GCD starts when you START casting. Since a talented GHeal is 2.5s, the GCD ends well before the spell does, so assuming zero latency, you can cast 1 GHeal in 2.5s (hence 200mp5). If we assume, oh, 200ms of lag then it might take 2.7s or so (or maybe 185 mp5). But it'll never take 4s; the GCD doesn't work that way.

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Old 06/26/07, 2:28 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by Lazare View Post
125mp5 = 25 mana/sec = 100 mana/4 sec.

Umm...that's just...bizarrely wrong. The GCD starts when you START casting. Since a talented GHeal is 2.5s, the GCD ends well before the spell does, so assuming zero latency, you can cast 1 GHeal in 2.5s (hence 200mp5). If we assume, oh, 200ms of lag then it might take 2.7s or so (or maybe 185 mp5). But it'll never take 4s; the GCD doesn't work that way.
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Old 06/26/07, 2:31 PM   #14
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IMHO, both of the T4 healing set bonus' are crap and I wouldn't even consider them when lookin gat gear upgrades. I doubt there are worse set bonus' than the priest T4 ones.

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Old 06/26/07, 2:33 PM   #15
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Originally Posted by Caldar View Post
IMHO, both of the T4 healing set bonus' are crap and I wouldn't even consider them when lookin gat gear upgrades. I doubt there are worse set bonus' than the priest T4 ones.
I remember when I figured out that the T4 2/5 bonus broke on damage. "Wait... it's even more worthless than it looks? That's impressive!"

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