Given <136 hit rating, is there a (relatively) easy way to relate crit power to hit rating?

I realize this is a "complicated" question requiring modelling of a combat system we don't have the source for. My question is which is superior, Lightwarden's Band(+18 agi, +38 ap), or the Ring of Shadow Deeps (+13 hr, +21 crit, +24 ap) for me right now.

Based on just the crit and ap the band is 0.5% better, but since I'm still under the magical never-miss level, I assume the hit rating picks up some of that.. the question is.. enough to favor wearing it?

I'd say go for the Slayer's Mark of Redemption. It's a quest reward and it's 15 agi, 50 ap, and 10 hit.

I always strive to be very close to the hit.

There was an analysis done by Glaurong in one of the large hunter threads. It went something like this:

15.8 hit rating = 1% hit
22.1 crit rating = 1% crit

Assume you fire 100 shots, doing 100 damage per shot. The numbers don't matter since they'll scale the same regardless. Picking some arbitrary values let's say you miss 5% and crit 25%. Your damage will be
5 * 0 = 0 from misses
70 * 100 = 7,000 from hits
25 * 200 = 5,000 from crits (or 25*233 = 5825 for mortal shots+slaying)
Total damage 12,000 or 12,825 with crit talents.

Adding 1% hit gives you:
4 * 0 = 0 from misses
71 * 100 = 7,100 from hits
25 * 200 = 5,000 from crits or 5,825 mortal/slay
Total damage 12,100 or 12,925

Adding 1% crit gives you:
5 * 0 = 0 from misses
69 * 100 = 6,900 from hits
26 * 200 = 5,200 from crits or 6058 mortal/slay
Total damage 12100 or 12958

So without mortal shots and slaying, you get the same damage boost from each for 1%. But crit rating takes more than hit rating to equal 1%. The ratio is 22.1/15.8 = 1.399. Add in mortal shots and slaying and 1% hit gives you 99.745% the damage of 1% crit. So 22.1 / 15.7 * .99745 = 1.395.

So 1 hit rating is worth ~1.4 crit rating.

What this doesn't account for is the side benefits of crits. Go For the Throat, Thrill of the Hunt, Relentless Earthstorm Diamond all favor crit. Probably not more than 29% though, which is what would be needed to overtake hit, point for point.

Considering that and the fact that not missing is important for consistency when using Misdirection or kiting, my personal estimation on the value of hit vs. crit would be:

1 hit rating is equal to 1.2 crit rating.

Shiorin, I've been meaning to ask you something since you posted your spreadsheet on the WoW forums several weeks ago. Why does your model value crit so highly? My values from a few weeks ago when i was raiding as BM were as follows:

crit bonus 30.0%
base crit 22.4%
base rap 1814

Ammo 32
Scope 0
Low 716
High 823
Speed 3.1
Speed w/haste 2.25

and, given those inputs, it takes me 12 AP to roughly equal the dmg output of 4 CR. Am I missing something? Groggan's spreadsheet has AP exceeding the benefits of CR rating by a fair margin, much better than your spreadsheet does, and I was hoping you could explain the disparity.

edit: as

So you are wielding a 16" gun from an Iowa class Battleship?

If those are the numbers you used then thats the reason, your damage is so high from the gun that crit% hugely dominates the model, and it correctly predicts that small gains in crit unders such conditions would be superior to larger rap gains.

You need to use the damage values from the item description in the high and low.

Haha, I'm not BM anymore so I'm not sure what the appropriate numbers should be. Thanks for the reply!

Credit goes to Glaurong, I'm just rehashing from memory what he posted weeks ago, and adding my own comments.

I am fairly sure that everyone, no matter of there hit rating, has a minute chance to miss built into the game (blue post from somewhere pops into mind, was quite a while though i doubt they would have changed this). The question of what is better, hit rating or crit rating (in equal or near-to amounts) is fairly complex. Assuming every hunter had mortal shots, gftt and that the game does rely on a single roll system (ie. a crit cannot miss, there-bye making 1% hit not equal to 1% overall dps) i actually lean more towards crit. I take hit wherever possible on items that i dont lose overly much ap/crit for, but i never gem for hit and look at an equal or near-equal number of crit on an item to my current gears hit as an upgrade.

Please explain why you feel this way given the math posted above contradicts it. Also, please explain how the roll system impacts your decision comparing crit rating, not %.

Try a Kaylaan's Signet then. Exact same stats, also a quest reward >:

As Trokck already (re)said. The basic flat math says hit has a 40% edge in the item budget. If you factor in other things that edge is diminished. Lower than a certain percentage of crit I do think it equals or surpasses that 40% but that is subjective and depends greatly on build.

However, even these numbers are misleading. The fact of the matter is you also have to take how item budget allocation weighs into all of this. Items that have one stat stacked on them are almost always inferior to their counterparts with stats spread out. A good example is.

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32266 - Ring of Deceitful Intent

+21 Agility
+42 Stamina
Equip: Improves hit rating by 19.
Equip: Increases attack power by 58.

For the same item budget you could create an item:

+21 Agility
+32 Stamina
Equip: Improves hit rating by 21
Equip: Improves critical strike rating by 21
Equip: Increases attack power by 42

If you took this same approach to all of your items (perhaps weighted a tad less towards hit so in a full set you would sit at the cap) you would do vastly more DPS than trying to stack stats on individual items.

So yeah, go with Kaylaan's Signet and Slayer's Mark of Redemption. I wore that set for a long time and only recently swapped in the Kara rep ring because I was dangerously low on stamina (7k buffed).

And yes, I got tired of my mage and came back to my hunter. I gripe and bitch but this stupid class grabbed me back in beta and hasn't let go. Mage never made it past 53 =(