I know this may not be a huge issue due to the general lack of balance Druids guilds but as one has just joined our guild, does anyone know if Insect Swarm and Scorpid Sting stack for a total of 7% miss or does the Sting overwrite Insect Swarm for only 5% miss ?

Just take a look at the posting of Glaurong

The 2% additional miss of insect swarm is just added to the 5% miss of scorpid sting.

Scorpid I have found invaluable on encounters with fast hitters such as Bloodboil. Even more so on the Fel Raged target. However on some fights the MT has shouted at me for it, such as Grull where he can often get huge avoidance streaks.

As a general rule of thumb, i just use it on fast or extremly heavy hitters where healing can be dodgy due to unlucky crushings. Afew examples of this are Prince, Teron, and Gutrogg.

Just chiming in as a tank here. Scorpid sting is far more powerful than 5% less damage taken, and this effect is magnified against dual wielding mobs.

Reason, take a tank with a total 55% avoidance, which is reasonable against 73 raid bosses. Without scorpid sting, the tank will be hit 45% of the time. With scorpid sting, the tank will be hit 40% of the time. 40/45= 88.9% damage compared to before before, meaning an 11% reduction in incoming damage.

Now a further example, take a tank with 55% avoidance against a dual wielding target which grants an additional 19% chance to miss. Without scorpid, the tank will be hit 26% of the time. With scorpid and insect swarm, the tank will be hit 19% of the time. 19/26=73.1% damage compared to before, meaning over a 25% reduction in incoming damage.


The gains become better and better as tank avoidance improves. Note that if a target does not have crush or crit immunity, the gains caused by this won't be quite as good.

Same here...

This thread opened my eyes to an ability i'd written off pre-tbc.

Playing around with it last night on hard hitting melee mobs, wondering if it will be of use in places like Heroic SH or UB where there's physical trash mobs hitting hard.

Will give it a proper try on the Prince soon as well and see if the healers feel a difference.

going to try it right away as I was heading for heroic ramps just while reading this (its a nuby heroic I know, but the difference shld be pretty noticable for a healer)

This thread has given alot of useful information and I'm still in the process of testing it out on raid bosses, though kinda suchs that Void Reaver is immune to poisons.

Does anyone have any AddOn info for Scorpid Sting?

I'd like one that set a rotation for you, and spammed a chat channel stating it's the next Hunters turn etc.

Also, it would be very handy if it could track the debuff on the mob/boss, even when it wasnt your own Sting, as then you could see how much time was left on the Sting to be ready to cast your own.

Any ideas?

Nature Enemy Castbar (NECB) works, and there is no need for a hunter-rotation, because there is no cooldown on it.
An addon like Debufffilter should do the other job for you, you could combine it with Quartz.

Thanks I'll test them out.

There is a need for a rotation.

Without a rotation, you are being inefficient. Wasting mana and global cooldowns that can be used for DPS if no one knows whether the other Hunters will cast SS or not.

Pretty offtopic at this point, but you do know that you can switch librams in combat? (unless you meant you left it in the bank)