Does anyone have any AddOn info for Scorpid Sting?

I'd like one that set a rotation for you, and spammed a chat channel stating it's the next Hunters turn etc.

Also, it would be very handy if it could track the debuff on the mob/boss, even when it wasnt your own Sting, as then you could see how much time was left on the Sting to be ready to cast your own.

Any ideas?

Nature Enemy Castbar (NECB) works, and there is no need for a hunter-rotation, because there is no cooldown on it.
An addon like Debufffilter should do the other job for you, you could combine it with Quartz.

Thanks I'll test them out.

There is a need for a rotation.

Without a rotation, you are being inefficient. Wasting mana and global cooldowns that can be used for DPS if no one knows whether the other Hunters will cast SS or not.

You just need to assign one hunter to do scorpid. Namely the lowest dps hunter.

Pretty offtopic at this point, but you do know that you can switch librams in combat? (unless you meant you left it in the bank)

In my opinion, overall Hunter DPS is better off with a rotation than what you suggest.

How so? If there is an opportunity cost to casting Scorpid Sting (and there is) wouldn't you want that to be the lowest cost possible?

We have the Survival Hunter keep it up, since his shots generally don't hit as hard as the BM's do. (He's geared strictly for max Agility.) I think your lowest DPS Hunter gives up the least raid damage using a GCD for Scorpid than any other Hunter, and there is no complexity in knowing your place (of having your turn come up when you are clicking cubes, etc.)

Ok, well shut my mouth >_>

I just did some *very* rough numbers. I'm assuming BM Hunters only. Three of them.

If we assume the use of the GCD once in between each autoshot for either a damage shot or the sting; assume firing an autoshot once approx every 2.5 secs (including lag); and assuming we fire the sting at 15>17.5 second interval to account for lag/flight time.

0-(1)-2.5-(2)-5-(3)-7.5-(4)-10-(5)-12.5-(6)-15-(7)-17.5-(8)-20

Let's say we fire the sting at gcd 7.

Assume our 3 Hunters do the following average damage:
1 - 700
2 - 800
3 - 600.

Lowest DPS hunter only stinging equals 145800 total damage from gcd use of three hunters.

Using a rotation between the three gives 144900 total damage.

Not much in it, and if the damage was alot closer a rotation *might* be better, but yeah, you convinced me that one hunter on sting duty simplifies things, and a rotation is not really beneficial, if at all.

I have my own rotation to incorparate stings, it does lower my DPS, but better then tank dying right?

Don't go in Scorpid Sting rotations, really

Just have your lowest dps or preferably SV / MM hunter do it.
I have 0 problems adding Scorpid in my rotation without clobering auto.

Its same in execution as Steady+Arcane part of my rotation. And i have like 3-4 chances to do it in 20sec timeframe.
It's chaotic a bit due multiple CDs but its getting easier to handle it with each raid.

It requires SP or full mana regen buffed and chain fel mana drinking hunter to get along with mana tho.

Sapa has a good point, MM or Surv hunters can use Scorpid Sting better then BM even if they are lower dps.

MM rotation may be...

Auto, steady, Multi, auto, steady, auto, steady, arcane, auto, steady, auto steady, scorpid...(not too sure since arcane/multi are on conflicting cooldowns but the point is they sometimes use 2 specials per auto)

So they have dead time often compared to a BM who never has dead time of long enough length to fire a shot.

You got to same point as me it seems

I started shooting Serpent/Scorpid there - its "free" and easily afforded with SP in group.
Or i use that time for Mend Pet, Trinket, HM renew even if its not time to do it already. (mend at full health, mark at 1minute left...)

Oh and I have trinket menu and after using trinkets i change them during fight, FD-OOC so they swap and resume rotation. 4 trinkets per 2 minutes used.

I think ill need quite some time to manage all that nicely and then some time to figure it out what else can i do. Got Leo down so I'm already looking at Vashy Bow that will give me some more "slack" time.

I respeced back to BM for for 1 raid and i got feeling that I'm slacking.

Does it auto switch for you? Or is it like a bar? Linky linky!

Autoswitch (after i use trinket i queue next one)
http://wow-en.curse-gaming.com/downloads/details/675/

I think this is normal but just to be sure, Feigning Death to put yourself out of combat to swap trinkets (I use Trinket Menu too which is great), only works if you pull your pet back first. To me at least, I never seem get OOC if my pet is still attacking a boss.

Yes normal stuff, same as FD+Drink... you need to pull pet back for second/two.

Just use it before the silence. Or if you loose people and he gets grow happy.

@ Teron, between snake traps and scorpid sting you can single handedly nullify a surprising amount of total damage.

I have run some tests on Scorpid Sting as suggested in this post:

Conditions:
Toon: Tunza <Bizarro>, lvl 70 Tauren Hunter, Khaz'goroth (US)
Pet: Batois, lvl 70 Bat
Mob: Gan'arg Analyzer (BeM, Orgi'la Plateau, lvl 70, melee only).

Reasoning:
I chose the mob as it was lvl 70, used only melee attacks and was easily accessible. I could Mend Pet indefinitely and FD to keep agro off my pet. OTher than restrictions due to impatience, the testing could continue as long as desired as the Mend Pet > mob damage rate by a considerable margin.

Method:
I pulled the initial mob with a Conc Shot and waited for it to approach before sending in my pet. Pet used only auto attack and Growl until the mob was about 60% at which point I put the pet on passive and only used an occasional Growl to keep agro. At regular intervals I FD to maintain a low personal threat level. The mob simply stood beside my pet and slowly tried to beat it to death. It was kinda like watching a holy priest meleeing a prot warrior.

The second mob was treated in an identical fashion but with Scorpid Sting used to pull and cast on a regular basis. It was cast well before it expired to ensure it was on the mob 100% of the time.

Recap was used to analyse the data. I was not grouped and there were no other combat events near me during the test.

Results:

1st Test - no Scorpid Sting

Duration: 20:01
Damage Taken: 87,470
Swings: 599
Hits: 471 78.6%
Misses: 97 16.2%
Crits: 31 5.2%
Glances: -
Crushes: -

Misses: 97
25 Miss:
35 Dodge:
37 Parry:

Partials: 31
- Absorb
31 Block
- Resist
- Vulnerable


2nd Test - Scorpid Sting

Duration: 19:42
Scorpid
Damage Taken: 85,969
Swings: 586
Hits: 454 77.5%
Misses: 97 16.6%
Crits: 35 6.0%
Glances: -
Crushes: -

Misses: 97
58 Miss:
21 Dodge:
18 Parry:

Partials: 15
- Absorb
15 Block
- Resist
- Vulnerable


Conclusion:
The tests varied by only a small margin:
Test 1 Test 2
Swings 100.0% 100.0%
Hits 78.6% 77.5%
Misses 16.2% 16.6%
Crits 5.2% 6.0%

Test 2 - with Scorpid Sting - has a marginally lower hit rate bit a marginally higher crit rate.

It would appear that the margin for error would exceed any difference recorded between the two tests.

Comments:
I am a huge fan of using Scoprid Sting in raids. Testing undertaken on a non-raid mob showed little variation in using Scorpid Sting vs not. I would like to hear other people's comments on other testing options (perferably controlled environments) and any deficiencies in my testing.

Tunza <Bizarro>, Khaz'goroth (US)

The problem with Scorpid Sting is the less the tank gets hit, the less rage he generates so the less Threat he can build up. I would suggest not using it on any fight that is a DPS race.

Its a small data set, but it almost looks like miss pushed the dodge/parrry off, rather than the normal hits.

From my own experience in raids I feel confident saying that Scorpid Sting works just as advertised. Here are Tidewalker's melee attacks excerpted from our latest kill:

WWS here: Morogrim Tidewalker - WWS

Browsing through the other logs on the site his miss rate is typically 10-12%, compared to the 18% shown here. In my brief hunt I failed to find another log where a hunter maintained the sting, but the one I posted above is consistent with a couple month's worth of kills for my guild.

Dannii, my only explanation for your results is that you were spectacularly unlucky. If anyone else can post a WWS of Tidewalker where the sting was maintained it would be useful to cement the data.

Purely anecdotal but I assure you as a tank, I notice when Scorpid Sting is and isn't on.