• Tauftamir

One thing to remember with Gorefiend specifically is the damage that he can actually do to you as a tank.
Last week someone needed to do something just as we were about to pull, since I get a misdirect I usually shield block on the pull to give the healers time to position (I tank him more or less where he stands) however, this time I was out of rage by the time we were ready to go.
Teron opened with a nice 10k crushing

Therefore as a tank, while it is certainly easy to be at 1200 TPS here, in practice this will trough as low as 800 if you make keeping shield block up a priority, particularly if he selects a number of healers for Shadow of Death.
If you have a very large threat lead over the DPS, then sustaining a high TPS becomes unneeded if it's at the expense of refreshing debuffs/shield block after accounting for reaction time and lag.

Lastly, if the Skeletal constructs debuff you with atrophy, (happened on our kill this week) I found it lowered my TPS by a considerable amount to have my attack speed slowed by 10%

As soon as we have a WWS up I'll post our log.

EDIT: Teron and more Teron

 

• Jamor

To speak on your topic of haste lowering hurting threat, one thing that I have found, though I have no hard numbers on it, is that haste seems better for threat than I had anticipated.

I have the 4pc destroyers bonus, and that seemed to net a nice boost to overall threat. Also, on fights where I need to get out of the gate quickly on threat, I tend will sometimes pop a haste potion when I have a good amount of rage --- it tends to give me a nice headstart. A solid headstart on DPS allows me to watch mitigation a little closer during crunch time of a fight. A good example of me doing this would be Najentus. I tend to take a haste potion once he's debuffed, then switch to frost after that.

 

Grymm

Imp TC is somewhere close to sunder in aggro generation given that the aggro is 175% of the damage base and with focused rage, it's not too rage expensive to use, but I think if you break the numbers down, a 250-300 damage devastate is going to do more aggro than a 130 damage TC while costing less rage and not having any kind of CD to consider. I use imp TC a lot when trying to grab aoe pack mobs or KT weapon some scenario like that. For single target, the debuff is nice but 1 TC every 20 seconds is about all you need.

Shield bash does have the bonus aggro to it and daze is nice. In general, though, if I am rage starved I don't HS. As such, I try for a 12 rage sunder as that will increase my damage output and work me towards cycling. Maybe I should be trying to work shield bash into my cycle...

 

Sernius

Sernius - WWS is our last Gorefiend kill, the really nice thing about Gorefiend is you can usually keep enough rage to maintain nice cycles even if you go on an avoidance streak just through the shadow damage going around.
This weeks gorefiend was one of the best threat wise I've done with nobody even really coming close on threat(Even with a destro lock and fury warrior doing 1600+ dps) From a tanking perspective it's really interesting to see the changes from the first time we did gorefiend to the differences now in the changes of gear, for example I always assumed 2pc tier5 was the motherload of bonuses, but losing it I really haven't noticed a TPS loss at all even though I still instinctually try to align my shield block and shield slam timers. It'll be interesting to try him next week with the 4pc tier6 bonus and see if I notice a nice difference as well. It's like a TPS Spreadsheet in a boss encounter

 

Coolyo

Right now im in school, and im working on a TPS calculator that takes info from wwslog link.

It's only working for warriors atm, and havent planned to make it for other classes.

Link: WWS TPS Calculator

It's working like this, u just simple add wwslog url (Ararat - WWS) into the text field, and press the submit button.

I didnt include sunder armor, shouts and thunderclap, but could be added easily, though sunder armor isnt tracked with wws, but maybe a list box with 1-5 and then the tank can just choose how many sunders he used.

I'm thinking about adding check boxes so it is possible to chose wich skills to calculate with.

There is also a bug if the start time of a encounter is before 00:00 and end time is after 00:00

 

Obould

Very nice Coolyo

Edit: Adding it to OP

 

PewPew

need german translation coolyo

 

D4vE

Nice work =)

As a suggestion for more accuracy I would advice to separate damage threat and skill threat completely. If it is possible read out "damage dealt to foes" in line 3 and convert it to total damage threat (on a single target encounter of course).

At the moment you are totally missing out the threat from damage shields and damage procs (thunderfury, vengeance card for example).

 

Coolyo

I'm not sure what u mean by separate skill and damage threat.

Do you got some wwslog's with damage shields and trinkets etc. ? thanks in advance.

 

• Branar

Sure, here you go - a night of Al'ar attempts and our first kill. Anonymized since it's not for critique - if that messes up your parsing (dont' see why it would, but if it does) let me know and I can PM you non-anonymized parses.

Wahid - WWS

The "Vengeance (Holy)" is from the darkmoon card trinket, the "Reflect (Fire, Nature)" is from both thorns and the imp fire shield.

 

Coolyo

interesting... ill take a look at it tomorrow when i am in school

 

D4vE

If it is possible do not calculate damage threat from the "dmg out" section in WWS, use this section only to count the number of skills used and calculate the skill threat.

Above "dmg out" there is a line which reads "damage dealt to foes" which should work quite nicely to calculate damage threat in a single target encounter.

I don't know how hard it is to parse all the possible damage procs and damage shields from the "dmg out" section as an alternative to get better numbers on damage threat.

Here are 2 examples with TF and vengeance card procs as well as thorns.

Ghorm - WWS
Ghorm - WWS

 

nfw

The TPS calculator does not seem to multiply healing by 0.5 when computing healing threat.

 

Kinetic

Pretty nice stuff there.

Small bug that needs to be taken into account: if the start time for an encounter is before 00:00 and the end time is after 00:00, then the total seconds calculation is wrong, which obviously affects all the tps calcs.

 

Coolyo

UPDATE:

WWS TPS Calculator

Now has thunderfury (Nature), Reflect (Fire(Fire Shield), Nature(Thorns)) and Vengeance (Holy) added.
Healing threat is also multiplied by 0.5 now.
Enter wwslog url are also shown after TPS! button is pressed with the wwslog url used.

 

Celandro

Awesome work!

If you could add thunderclap, shield bash, cleave, demoralizing shout that would be great.

Future features request:
% breakdown by skill
Threat per rage numbers (dont forget to count the extra rage lost% breakdown by rage used)
Drop downs for the various talents (imp heroic strike, imp tclap, etc).

 

Coolyo

Don't seem to be able to get demoralizing shout, at least i don't see it performed from the wwslog.

UPDATE:

WWS TPS Calculator

Now has Thunder Clap, Shield Bash and Cleave added.

 

Renob

Could one of you please post your WWS link for a Gruuls fight, I would love to see what it looks like compared to mine. Im looking to find ways to improve my TPS.

Thanks

 

nfw

Tanath - WWS, 1.1k TPS according to the calculator.

 

Renob

Thanks NFW, I should be more clear when I ask some to post their parse your gear is much better then mine. It did help in that I could see all your attacks, your attacks do almost double the damage mine do.

Could someone with full Kara gear post their parse.

Thanks,
Renob

 

Killerpace

Hi i have tried your web site for WWS log for treath and it's not working for me.. am i doing something wrong?

thanks

 

Meyla

When you put your WWS link to this site you use Chart or Raid & Mobs / Warriors / Nickname link?

Like this from nfw post, Example

 

NayNay

Nice work Coolyo, gl updating it ^^

 

Nulkrien

Help me

Hey, i am having alot of trouble with my tps. i have a macro but i have no clear idea how it reall functions or if it is even good. i was MT of my guild but they had to change me out cuz my TPS was so bad. no im OT and want my position back and from being stoped from getting kicked form the guild for my horrible tps.
this is my macro i use.

this is my shield slam macro:

/castsequence reset=6 Shield Slam, Devastate, Devastate
/cast [modifier:ctrl] Cleave; Heroic Strike

and this is my sunder armor macro:

/cast sunder armor
/stopcasting
/cast [modifier:ctrl] Cleave; Heroic Strike

My tps is around 200-300 at avarage and we are raiding TK and SSC.

now my old guild leader gave this to me and said that i should use it. my threat has been improved abit but its not nearly as good as any of the other tanks as geared and as engame progressed as me.

this is my gear to give you an insight on my character.

The Armory

my guildies are refusing to help me any further. I need help because i have no clue on what ealse to do but turn to those who know.


Nulkrien

 

Shini

Nulkrien:

First, I'd get rid of those macros and use your skills manually. Make sure you have your key skills bound to keys you can easily reach.

Generally, try to keep shield slam and revenge on cooldown, they are your most effective skills for aggro generation, fill in remaining GCDs with sunder (until stacked to 5) then devastate. Any excess rage should be used on HS.

The optimal threat rotation is SS > Rev > Dev > Dev, with HS pressed as much as possible, but this takes a lot of incoming rage. You can play around with numbers using your own gear using the TPS spreadsheet found elsewhere on this forum.

Don't forget shield block when neccesary. Demoralizing shout and thunderclap are important tools for reducing incoming damage as well, but shouldn't neccesarily be performed by the tanking warrior, depending on encounter and raid makeup. If needed, they'd replace one of the devastates in the optimal cycle, reapplied when they are about to expire.

That being said, tanking is highly situation-dependant, sometimes you want to focus on aggro, other times on survivability, so this is up to your judgement as a player.

Both your spec and gear seem decent enough, so the problem is probably your ability use. 2-300 tps seems very low, and you should easily be able to increase your tps significantly. A macro is not a replacement for an understanding of class mechanics.