Hello ladies and gents!
I was wondering if anyone of you has ever tried these 2 specs for raiding, and what were the results? unfortunately I am guildless at the moment (and quite bored from beast mastery) so I just had a look at the talents and was wondering what you guys think about these 2 "alternative" specs?

0/31/30 http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=VZVVdRVzhxoZIhh0xcMhV
Marksmanship (31 points)

5/5 Lethal Shots
5/5 Efficiency
2/2 Go for the Throat
1/5 Improved Arcane Shot
1/1 Aimed Shot
2/2 Rapid Killing
5/5 Mortal Shots
1/1 Scatter Shot
3/3 Barrage
5/5 Ranged Weapon Specialization
1/1 Trueshot Aura

Survival (30 points)

3/3 Monster Slaying
3/3 Humanoid Slaying
3/3 Hawk Eye
3/3 Entrapment
5/5 Survivalist
3/3 Surefooted
2/2 Survival Instincts
3/3 Killer Instinct
5/5 Lightning Reflexes

and 0/28/33 http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=mZVVdRVzGoZIhh0xcMhV0h
Marksmanship (28 points)

5/5 Lethal Shots
5/5 Efficiency
2/2 Go for the Throat
1/5 Improved Arcane Shot
1/1 Aimed Shot
2/2 Rapid Killing
5/5 Mortal Shots
1/1 Scatter Shot
3/3 Barrage
2/2 Combat Experience
1/5 Ranged Weapon Specialization

Survival (33 points)

3/3 Monster Slaying
3/3 Humanoid Slaying
3/3 Hawk Eye
3/3 Entrapment
5/5 Survivalist
3/3 Surefooted
2/2 Survival Instincts
3/3 Killer Instinct
5/5 Lightning Reflexes
3/3 Expose Weakness

yeah thanks i knew about the spreadsheets but i was asking for some direct experiences or comments, because i strongly think that theory must be supported by practice

Im using the 0/31/30 build in PvE atm, alot of my gear is aimed towards that build as well, as you can see on my armory profile in the Avatar. It's a decent DPS build, usually give the mages a run for the money, but not on par with BM hunters, usually 0.5 - 1.0% behind in pet friendly fights.
For none aggro dependant fights (Karathress) this spec is pure evil.

One big advantage with this build as i see it is my survivability, with fast pulls and no MD up survivability is crucial, this build gives me that.

Other then that its only TSA i can hand out groupwise so no big group buff, so arguably going for Expose Weakness would be more raid benefitial.

I've HEARD that Expose Weakness isn't good, which makes me think 0/31/30 > 0/28/33.

I have one hunter specced for Expose Weakness currently. He has a 31% crit rate unbuffed, with 688 agility. EW is up almost 100%, about the only time it drops is when he has to stop attacking for some reason. With 688 agility, thats 172 AP to the entire raid, compared to 125 to five people. Granted, his DPS is a little less than a BM spec, but I feel the benefits of this one talent make up for it.

interesting interesting!

The great thing about Expose is it's a mob debuff and applies to all physical attacks.
The bad thing about Expose is it's a mob debuff not a group buff.

The problem is, while it's a really amazing buff, the hunter can get put into the most useless of groups and receive very few group buffs themselves.
Something to watch out for as it greatly damages your personal dps if you are used to doing much more as BM.

That aside, SV is infinitely more fun to play and the benefit of one SV hunter in the raid can't easily be matched.

Using quite similar build at this moment. (3/5 RWS > 2/2 CE+1/5RWS) but going to change back to SV build that includes 3/3 TotH.
Since this falls under SV builds, check Hunter Survival Raiding 2.1
Here: http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t12346-h...raiding_2_1_a/