chaendaer

please add human racials checkbox. +5 weaponskill to sword/maces.

 

Cyn

There's a race drop down boss on the gear page....

 

Urraca

I haven't been on PTR recently to test for myself, but from what I've heard and read here, that the only thing that is being taken out is sword on sword procs. Sword procs can still proc WF and vice versa I believe, and the DPS loss isn't very significant. If it was that OP'd, Blizzard wouldn't be waiting weeks to implement the change.

But one positive does come out of this, no more random long chains of procs/crits at the very beginning of a fight which can cause you to pull aggro

 

Zerix

Just thought i'd chime in since I see this post is about me.

Currently Armory isnt showing the 5hit 5agility gems in the armory, i get multiple tells about this every day, and its quite anonying, but yes all my gear is properly socketed.

Also, I did not have 4 piece t6 for that fight, i picked up the shoulders from Mother this week, I was still using the ones from HWL for that fight. That DPS was much less than what it could be as well, i was missing out on quite a few buffs.. BoK, LoTP, Blood Frenzy, No improved blessing of might, no warrior solarian trinket, no flask. This next week i'll try to push it the highest it can go and see if I can bribe some people into respec'ing. Hoping for around 2400 DPS once I am able to get everything. Beyond that, the only thing left is the offhand warglaive which i'm really itching to get my hands on .

As for 10% miss rate, WWS counts dodges as "misses" as well. I've also never been a big fan of stacking +hit, with all the end-game gear I want i'll have around 241 hit rating, ~2150AP, and 32% crit.

The ashtongue trinket I think is extremely undervalued on boss fights where you can keep a perfect cycle going. It loses its appeal on trash, i normally use brooch/warpspring on trash then switch to ashtongue for bosses. If I had a druid in my group, with 2x mongoose, lotp, and the trinket it would put me at ~52% crit which is extremely ridiculous.

The multiple bloodlusts is something we always do for the melee groups since we gain the most from using lust. We usually run at least 4 shaman per raid, and lots of times 5. It helps alot on dps intensive fights in BT/Hyjal.

 

Grunge

EDIT: Really shouldn't post at 6am. Mixing two trinkets...

Edit. 2: After going over a few things. With my current gear, Ashtongue exalted talisman would give me with my current mutilate setup a avg of 51.04 critical strike rating. However I find this very hard to believe, since that would indicate a ~33.xx% uptime.
Now when you consider that you can mutilate twice during 12 seconds, and that finishers are free
you should be able to sustain a 90% uptime. Even when you consider 4cp finishers and dodges then it should still be at least 70-80% uptime for mutilate rogues. Surely not as low as the spreadsheet indicates.

As for Warp-spring Coil. The spreadsheet models it as 1000*15*1,5/60 correct? Does this means the spreadsheet assumes a 1,5 ppm? Which would be incorrect as it's a 25% chance per special move to proc? (correct me if I'm wrong, or if this has been discussed in the old thread).
So for mutilate it would be a 31.25% per mutilate to proc the armor reduction? Some comments on wowhead suggest a hidden cooldown. I think I'll post this in the rogue mechanics testing thread as well, since I'm probably not the first or the last one who has pondered this.

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Gods glory to the Heroes.

 

chaendaer

How could i have missed that. doh

 

Batory

i haven't follow the thread and im not sure if that was mentioned.
primal intent set is missing in newest spreadsheet. also some epic gear as well which i dont remember atm.

 

Xaoc

Just add the gear in if its no longer in the sheet. Some of the lower gear was removed as most people have progressed past it, and no longer need to compare its stats.

 

Devil Warrior

No its not, there are checkboxes on the right side to enable Hyjal/BT items, Doomwalker/Kazzak items, and crafted BoP items.

 

Wodahs

New dagger from Zulaman, shown at blizzcon.

dagger of bad mojo - 142-213 dmg, 98.6 dps, 1.80 speed, 21 agility, 40 attack power, attacks ignore 154 armor.

New Enchant: Executioner (Drops in Zul'aman)
Use: Learn how to permanently enchant a Melee Weapon to occasionally ignore 840 of your ennemy's armor. Requires a level 35 or higher item.
The visual effect will be at least as cool as Mongoose

 

Halas

So far no one knows the duration of Executioner. Does anyone know how long the Executioner proc would have to last to make it a better DPS gain than Mongoose?

I know armor penatration is benefits can vary depending on the mobbut lets just say what would the stats have to be for a typical boss fight.

 

Xaoc

Armor penetration also increases its benefit when you have more items with the effect. It also varies from boss to boss, as some bosses has next to no armor to begin with. 840 armor is a good chunk, more than T6 pieces I think, so depending on the proc rate and duration, it would seem initially that its not something to scoff at.

 

dr_AllCOM3

Sounds like Executioner is just for one hit and not an entire duration.

 

• Latito

Sounds sorta like a PvP enchant. I mean, -840 armor on a clothie would be a pretty big dmg spike. Almost like a way for rogues to get around resilience..

Really depends on the proc rate though to see how it compares to Mongoose

 

Zurgat

Proc rate is said to be the same as mongoose. (~1-2 ppm?)
And I suspect it'll be 15 seconds, just like mongoose and most other procs.
A single hit with -840 armor won't do much, 15 second duration might actually be competitive.

Executioner :
http://www.worldofraids.com/news/exp...xecutioner.jpg
Compared to mongoose :
Thottbot World of Warcraft: Formula: Enchant Weapon - Mongoose

Let's say with limited uptime, it gives ~600 armor reduction(very generous guess), then it'd give ~47 DPS. (On my current gear according to the spreadsheet)
However, on a target with 3000 armor, i'd see an increase of ~91 DPS.
For comparison, the mongoose enchant on my mainhand gives ~32 DPS, and ~45 on the 3000 armor target.

We can't be sure until Zul'Aman is actually released, but i'm looking forward to playing with it.

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gakutomagnum

This thing isn't loading up on OpenOffice for me. Any ideas why? The gems aren't selectable.

 

Halas

Does anyone know of a chart showing the estimated armor of boss mobs before sunders and other armor reducing abilities.

 

Cloze

Doesnt support openoffice anymore. Try Microsoft Excel.

 

Zurgat

The spreadsheet uses 7038.33 as a default, however i'd love to see more detailed research on boss armor as well.
Beasts are easy, lurker for example can be inspected by a hunter.

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Pips

It seems the Violet Signet of the Master Assassin uses the old values: 27 sta, 24 hit, 52 AP. The values are 28 sta, 25 hit, 56 AP.

 

Kapuras

I'm missing under Boss debuff "Expose Weakness"

Expose Weakness Rank 3
Your ranged criticals have a 100% chance to apply an Expose Weakness effect to the target. Expose Weakness increases the attack power of all attackers against that target by 25% of your Agility for 7 sec.

And how many Agility the hunter need (Groupsetup Fury Warrior, Enhancement Shaman, Survival Hunter, 2 Rogues) , that

Grace of Air Totem + Expose Weakness + Instant Poison VII or Anesthetic Poison > Windfury Totem?

 

Itzelsnitch

No.

GOA would simply mean that Expose Weakness ~20 more AP. WF still beats GOA by miles, and always will.

 

• Rerox

Expose Weakness can be found under the "Raid Buffs" Section, not the "Boss debuff" Section (since the effect buffs the raid and doesn't debuff the boss).

 

• Rerox

Violet Signet of the Master Assassin correctly shows 28 Sta 25 Hit 56 AP in Sheet Version 2.2.0.7 for me. Seems like you selected Violet Signet (epic2) by mistake.

 

Halas

Can anyone propose a reliable way of collecting data on boss armor?