[Rogue] DPS Spreadsheet - Page 30

Decease · 08/20/07, 3:10 AM

Originally Posted by Zurgat

As listed a page back in this thread, the issue was noticed by Worldofraids forums :: Haste rating hidden changes on PTR as well.
15.7 per haste %

[Dragonspine Trophy] : 340 Haste rating estimate values.
* Current : 30,95 % Haste : 10.5 / 1
* PTR : 20,7 % Haste : 15.7 / 1

About 10% haste lost. But it should put the [Dragonspine Trophy] more on par with the [Tsunami Talisman].
Perhaps it'll make it less appealing to non rogue classes.

I'm almost certain DST is still better than any 2 trinkets in the game put together, Aldriana's Gear Spreadsheet still models it this way, and quite frankly it doesn't surprise me.

This Haste Nerf is just a blanket Nerf that's killing the value of some very good items, that weren't even close to overpowered, because of the fact that a few items (DST, and the Twin Blades of Azzinoth for example) are rediculously overpowered.

Zurgat · 08/20/07, 3:19 AM

Originally Posted by Decease

I'm almost certain DST is still better than any 2 trinkets in the game put together, Aldriana's Gear Spreadsheet still models it this way, and quite frankly it doesn't surprise me.

This Haste Nerf is just a blanket Nerf that's killing the value of some very good items, that weren't even close to overpowered, because of the fact that a few items (DST, and the Twin Blades of Azzinoth for example) are rediculously overpowered.

After entering the values it shows the DST as ~10 dps more than WSC, and ~15 dps more than Tsunami.
Pre patch this was ~33 dps more than WSC, and ~38 above tsunami.

Estimated dps loss due to nerf : ~23 dps for buffed cycles. Though this is likely to be more at higher gear levels.

What the nerf does effectively do however, is put the "10 haste rating enchant" for gloves on the scrapheap.
While before it was almost as good at 15 agi, now it's just not worth bothering with.

Curious enough not all blues seem to be aware of the issue : http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread....o=12&sid=1#235
Cross your fingers and hope it gets reverted.

Wow, hot topic.
Firstly the moderator part of me has to say: let's keep it civil, guys.
Secondly, concerning the 'nerf': I have heard nothing about it.
I'll take note of this and look into it for you.

Pythos · 08/20/07, 7:23 AM

Violet Signet of the Master Assassin is missing from the 2.2.0.8 spreadsheet version. I just downloaded the spreadsheet from the link in the top post.

ruizAw · 08/20/07, 7:40 AM

Ring missing, true, and 3 netherblade still > 4 netherblade... bad idea.

Pythos · 08/20/07, 7:50 AM

Hope they add the ring soon.

• Wodin · 08/20/07, 8:44 AM

The proc on [Shard of Azzinoth] is worth 6DPS, according to WWS parses of the thing.

Golijov · 08/20/07, 4:55 PM

This probably belongs in another thread, but its just a short question.
At higher levels of hit rating or at hit cap, I assume it is better to use deadly poison mainhand, instant offhand (ignoring, of course, when you have a shaman in your group) than it is to use double deadly poison or mainhand instant offhand deadly. Again, ignoring WF totem, given this, which would be better, 4/5 imp poisons or 4/5 vile poisons? I'm assuming imp poisons, but i figured I'd ask

Kytrarewn · 08/20/07, 6:15 PM

Originally Posted by Golijov

This probably belongs in another thread, but its just a short question.
At higher levels of hit rating or at hit cap, I assume it is better to use deadly poison mainhand, instant offhand (ignoring, of course, when you have a shaman in your group) than it is to use double deadly poison or mainhand instant offhand deadly. Again, ignoring WF totem, given this, which would be better, 4/5 imp poisons or 4/5 vile poisons? I'm assuming imp poisons, but i figured I'd ask

You want instant MH, deadly OH, not vice versa, and you want vile poisons, unless of course for some reason you adore envenom.

Looking at what seems to be the armory shows me that you have Dragonmaw... it'd be a big shame if you weren't getting windfury with that mace.

In addition: Even with the WF nerf, WF is still far better than LOTP or GoA for your resident DPS warriors. If you're getting battle-shout... you should be getting WF.

phatz · 08/20/07, 7:16 PM

I found a bug, not sure if it is a bigger bug or just a small one

Chest: Wastewalker Tunic

This item does not show in the drop down anymore for chest items... Why? I looked into this a little and only thing I can see is that it is the last item on the list for chest... I added one after and it shows (but my new ones does not)

Looks like it drops off the last item on the list.

Jaxom · 08/20/07, 7:44 PM

A while back, the Night Blade was broken in all DPS calculations.

Somewhere before 2.2.0.3, things got partially fixed and the Unbuffed calculations on both the Talents sheet and the Gear_Buffs sheet got fixed but the Buffed calculations did not.

I have not checked the math for The Night Blade in the unbuffed calculations, but I did finally get sick enough of it to track down (I think) the forumla that is causing the problem.

On the DPC Calcs sheet, there are two almost identical formulae. H15 is the unbuffed "hps" (hits per second) and B52 is the buffed "hps"... However B52 includes a #REF! error.

Comparing the two formulae and not thinking any harder about it, I believe that the incorrect forumla reads:

(1-'Buffed DPS'!$C$18-'Buffed DPS'!$C$19)*1.3/1.8*(1+0.2*blfl*15/120)*'Buffed DPS'!$Q$37+IF(mh="The Night Blade",IF(instatk="bs",('Buffed Cycles'!#REF!+$B$55)/'Buffed Cycles'!$T$2,0.2),IF(oh="The Night Blade",IF(instatk="mut",0.1544,0),0))

when it should read

(1-'Buffed DPS'!$C$18-'Buffed DPS'!$C$19)*1.3/1.8*(1+0.2*blfl*15/120)*'Buffed DPS'!$Q$37+IF(mh="The Night Blade",IF(instatk="bs",('Buffed Cycles'!$M$4+$B$55)/'Buffed Cycles'!$T$2,0.2),IF(oh="The Night Blade",IF(instatk="mut",0.1544,0),0))

Like I said... I didn't try to follow the math through. I compared the Buffed and Unbuffed calls and determined that the Buffed Cycles and Unbuffed Cycles sheets seem to be identical. I also determined that using the same field (M4) in this fomula resolves every #REF! error in the spreadsheet when using The Night Blade.

saedo · 08/20/07, 7:44 PM

For the Violet Eye Ring and Wastewalker, it's just a limit to the drop down menu I think. If you click off the boxes to the sides to filter out some of the items you can get it to show.

Jaxom · 08/20/07, 7:53 PM

Originally Posted by Pythos

Violet Signet of the Master Assassin is missing from the 2.2.0.8 spreadsheet version. I just downloaded the spreadsheet from the link in the top post.

On the 2.2.0.8 spreadsheet, the Ring of Lethality appears twice in the drop-down menu. Ring of the Master Assassin *is* in the Rings page but, like Wastewalker Tunic, is being dropped from the list since it is the last item (even when the list is cleaned up and the duplicate Ring of Lethality is removed).

Redangel · 08/20/07, 8:55 PM

I have a hard time understanding this...
I input my gear and the buffs I usally have at a raid and it gives me the number:

"Rough DPS = 1228,95"

I'm not that high tbh, I'm somewhere 900 etc...
I donno what I'm doing wrong if that should be a guideline where I should be in terms of DPS...

Rekka · 08/20/07, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by Redangel

I have a hard time understanding this...
I input my gear and the buffs I usally have at a raid and it gives me the number:

"Rough DPS = 1228,95"

I'm not that high tbh, I'm somewhere 900 etc...
I donno what I'm doing wrong if that should be a guideline where I should be in terms of DPS...

There could be several reasons as to why your actual dps and the spreadsheet dps is different. The spreadsheet assumes that the mob is standing still the whole time and your cycles are perfect. It also puts into account that you are able to blow your cooldowns instantly without pulling aggro. Another major factor, in my opinion, is lag. Server side and your side. Lag can make your GCD seem longer than it actually is, etc.

Ghond · 08/21/07, 1:00 AM

I've been looking over some parses from WWS, and i've got some questions on WF.
It seems like WF is procing about 10% of the time, instead of the tooltip'd 20%.

When you look at your combat log, typically this is how a WF event will look

8/20 22:51:36.843 You hit Servant of Razelikh for 209.
8/20 22:51:37.437 Servant of Razelikh attacks. You dodge.
8/20 22:51:38.046 You gain 1 extra attack through Windfury Attack.
8/20 22:51:38.046 You hit Servant of Razelikh for 440.
8/20 22:51:38.046 You hit Servant of Razelikh for 228.
8/20 22:51:38.343 You gain Windfury Attack.
8/20 22:51:38.531 You crit Servant of Razelikh for 1068.
8/20 22:51:39.250 Windfury Attack fades from you.

Could someone explain what exactly is happening here?
the way i'm interpretting this is, the first line causes WF to proc. the 3rd line is the WF proc notification, line 4 is the actual extra attack from WF.
Lines 6 and 8...i'm not 100% sure what that means...maybe it just shows that the weapon buff was consumed and reapplied..../shrug

I've also seen a few times where "you gain 1 extra attack through Windfury Attack. will happen with out the following two lines...typically 10 times out of 2000hits.

In anycase, if that above described event counts as only 1 WF attack, then i've been recording for the past few weeks 10% WF proc rates. Can anyone else confirm this, or am i missing something here.

just for some numbers, this is what i recorded today, only auto attacking and SS enough to keep SnD up, with a WF bot at my side.

1449 hits
528 crits
144 SS hits
56 SS crits
2177 total
52 - You gain 1 extra attack through Sword Specialization
168 - You gain 1 extra attack through Windfury Attack.
159 - You gain Windfury Attack.
159 - Windfury Attack fades from you.

2125 – minus sword spec
1957 – minus sword and extra WF attack

2.6% sword proc
8.6% wf

Note: I've been trying out the Duel Weapon spec, so i'm MH fist, and OH sword...hence 2.6% sword proc rate.
I also have 310 Hit rating, so between that and the level difference I had zero misses, zero parries, and zero dodges.
and for additional curiosity sake....
The Armory