Read your cycle again: after 5r, you do 3s (not 5s).

I'm also guessing you would need the 2/5 Netherblade for it to work but since I've never played as Combat Daggers, perhaps this does not hold true.

3s5s5r is borderline sustainable without 2/5 T4. If you're dropping SnD uptime, cutting to 5s4r3s tends to be optimal. If you *do* have 2/5 T4, your best cycle is usually 1s3r instead.

Plz dont crucify me for asking this lol. I played a rogue up to TBC end game. Switched to dps warrior until recently. My question is for a sword spec rogue. Is the cookie cutter dps cycle basically still 3 combo point snd considering you have imp snd and then 5 point rupture or has it changed. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

I was under the impression that the damage per combo point dropped off significantly for rupture, especially when dropping from 4 to 3 points. Is this really any good? I can see the benefit of maintaining high rupture uptime, but those are going to be some pretty weak ruptures..




Assuming you don't have 2pc T4, a 3s/5r cycle for a sinister strike build is pretty standard, yes. If you have the 2pc bonus, 1s/5r is very doable and preferable. Maintaining 100% uptime on both SnD and 5pt rupture ticks is VERY nice.

Hardly, How much of your damage is rupture? How much of it is white and sinister strike?
Overall you should value hit and agility. Aldriana covered the whole subject very well here

Im a huge idiot

for some reason after 5r, i was going to 5snd.....

I feel like a moron

Nice to hear, we apreciate your efforts.
Hopefully you have time to implement some of the new features.
There have also been some developments in the area of Weapon Skill which may be interesting to look at : http://elitistjerks.com/469576-post500.html
There was also a thread somewhere that listed Dragonspine trophy now has a 15 sec internal cooldown in the 2.2 patch.


I see the % difference field in new dps, that's a nice feature perhaps Elios can implement standard.
And i see you moved the miss% to the unbuffed section, i'd rather see that available both for the buffed and unbuffed section.
What other modifications do you generally add?


Layout Improvements - aimed at Elios.
The top bar is pretty crowded, but it should be possible to make it less wide by moving some data to the left, this should create a lot of space so the export, import buttons and the gray block could move about a few cells more to the left.

I tried to upload an example.. but mediafire has flagged the file as being infected by a trojan or virus... funny enough both 2.2.0.7 and 2.2.0.8 also displays this problem, so it might just be mediafire acting weird or not liking the large ammount of macros in the file.

Here's the file : http://www.savefile.com/files/1036667 Note: Disable macros just to be safe, as this is just a non functional example of the layout.

If you don't wish to download the xls file, here's an image:


Anyway, i think it looks great. (Maybe 1 column too many for the unbuffed cp usage, so J and beyond could probably be moved to I) If 2.2.0.10 could have it's header look like this i'll be a happy camper.

To clarify what i've changed, I've entered fictional values to show how it'd look.
Added % values for damage contribution, ap, hit, crit, dodge for both buffed and unbuffed cycles.
Also colored framed around the import / export / upgrade search sections.
So, let me know what you think.


Edit: Killed the macros and extra sheets and it's still giving the virus error... Mediafire is weird.
2.2.0.5 doesn't give the virus warning however.. so i'm curious what's changed between 2.2.0.5 and 2.2.0.7 that causes mediafire to give such a warning.
I fear i don't have a 2.2.0.6 version that i can test for this. Likely just mediafire picking up some of the macros wrongly.


Random thought: The haste nerf is pretty bad from the look of it, [Band of Devastation] is now worse than [Ring of a Thousand Marks]. I guess it's still nice for warriors to increase their rage generation.

Well, It was a rhetoric question meant for the original poster.
Good to see my point illustrated.

I've done many of the thinks I had listet now, and it seems working, we'll see how many bugs in this version will be when I'll upload it.

I'm thinking about including Expose Armor as finisher, but this is not easy and I think I'll make it maybe later. Also TPS is a think I've listet but I'm not sure to add it.

The armory import and rework of the procmechanik I have dropped of my ToDo list. They're to much work. The rework for the procs would mean to write a completly new Spreadsheet and this is far to much work.

I'll take a look at this header:
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maybe I'll add this in the next version. Will see, but currently I've got problems with some rupture cycles I think this will cost some time, but I hope that the cycles than work I little bit near at the reality.

I made the header a little better :


Shrinked the redundant column like i said, added an extra column after B, and merged B+C for the weapons and armor. Also reduced the size of the cycle boxes and cut 1 column off the import/export box.
All the whitespace is now used as good as i can make it, everything visible, no space unused.
I presume the picture alone is enough to show how it's done since the xls file would not be functional if i uploaded it. If you do need it however, just ask.

So with the haste and internal nerf of DST is it a nono now?
I have Abacus of Violent Odds and Hourglass
we still do gruul on offnights so not sure if DST is still worth it.
Dont do VR much anymore so i dont know if Ill see WSC
And Tsunami trinket doesn't drop for us