Hi,

Just a Question even though it's a little off-topic since it's not about Moonkins, but about Thorns.

Does threat generated from Thorns get the bonus from def-stance if it is on the mt?

I'm currently leveling a moonkin, and it's a blast. Reminds me of my hunter except my pocket tank is a bunch of roots instead of a boar.

My question is concerning final specs. I know from reading this thread that, if I want to be serious about boomkinning, I should go something like 44/0/17, if not more dedicated to balance.

But, when I've run instances, I've been forced to heal many times, and I kind of like it. And I know our guild is sometimes short on healers.

My question is basically, do I just bite the bullet and spec moonkin when I want to boom, and respec tree when I want to heal, or is there a viable hybrid spec out there?

Something like this? Wowhead talent calculator

The non-tree druid healer is interesting to me since Healing Touch is such a great DPM spell. But I'm worried that I'll just be jack of all trades, master of none, and I should just swallow my weekly 50G medicine when it comes time.

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

I'm really bad at integrating the URL into Html to make it clickable. But there is the build I generally use for raids. It maxes out dps while still allowing a bit of healing viablity. When we have 7 healers on, I full dps for bosses. When we have 6 healers on I shift in and out a lot healing in dps gear. If we have 5 healers on I go full heal gear and heal the whole fight. Rarely do I have to switch to full restore spec(usually if we are missing two of our more talented healers and I really need to pick up some slack that night.).

NS is amazing, but the spec you linked doesnt have "wrath of cenarius." You cant be expected to be any kind of useful without that talent. At my gear level it gives me about 250 spell dmg fully buffed.

Since you are still leveling the best advice I can give you is to stay open minded. You have a long way to go, and you will probably change specs a lot depending on the needs of groups you end up running with. Try not to say from an early level that you wanna be a moonkin. Have fun playing a druid, and spec whichever way is needed for your guild.(thats how I got put as a moonkin.)

I've been raiding moonkin for most of TBC(went feral in the beginning because of tank shortage). My guild is fairly casual, as we've just started SSC/TK last month. I've been moonkin for quite a while(AQ40, even though I was still healing pre-BC).

I've seen moderate success as a moonkin in a raiding environment. here's our guild WWS bank. Index of /wws I feel I've been doing alright for my gear(tier 4 + kara), and my guild leader definately likes having a moonkin for keeping maulgar a breeze, and I've been regularly high in the DPS lists. Usually only sitting around 700-760DPS but then, I read these forums, and talked to some people about stopcast macros. I used it once, and fell in love, it increased my DPS significantly. going from 700s to 800, even 900 DPS

The Armory
here's my armory, there's plenty of room for improvement. I'm sure with tier 5 and better that I can easily push 1000DPS on most encounters.

This was our Hydross kill from last night, the 2nd time using stopcasting, so I had gotten the hang of it, and only cancelled maybe 2 spells the whole time. My consumables were adept elixir, blackened bassalisk, and wizard oil(42dmg)
WWS

From what I've seen, moonkin is certainly viable in 25 mans. although I'm not sure how complex the fights are towards the end game, and the versatility may affect their pressence, but I guess I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

Hello, I want to ask if our Moonkin's Specc is the best it could be. We're a 25-man raid guild that has downed 5/6 SSC and 1/4 TK. We ususally run with 2-3 Fury Warriors, 2-3 Rogues, 1-3 Hunters, a Feral Druid and an Enhancement Shaman of which as far as I know no one is hit capped yet. Our Moonkin doesn't have Imp. Faerie Fire and I must say that I'm nor very happy with it as the most of our damage comes from our physical damage dealers and our Melees are usually more DPS than our Casters.
His Armory: The Armory

He's ignorelistzed me when I asked him about putting points into Imp. FF.
What's your opinion on that?

As an additional information: If Omen is right, he's normally not even near the tank's aggro on boss fights even though he needs 130% to pull as a caster.

Well, it looks like he has improved ff now.

I'd guess he's not using a good cast cycle or needs to start using /stopcasting macros. His gear looks reasonable, if a bit behind where it should be for your progress. Might want to drop some of his spell crit for hit rating if the gear he's wearing now is the same he uses for bosses.

So does anyone know for sure what the spell rotation Moonkin druids ought the be using to maximize DPS if they are in full T4 gear and mostly Kara epics??

You can quite easily use the Moonkin DPS Spreadsheet to calculate the best rotation for all situations. Inputting your own gear, fight length etc.

http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t11582-d...s_spreadsheet/

To note, sometimes you might want to put IS into your rotation even though it will lower your DPS, just to keep the debuff on the MT. A lot of the non mana inhibited rotations don't include IS as it does not scale at all with crit.

Nice work on Hydross. How did you not pull aggro? We did hydross last night and my dps was just horrid. Yet I was always on the border of pulling aggro. I finished with 642 dps. But on Lurker I was first in overall damage and had 853 dps.

I was fully buff with a elemental shaman in my group. 840~ Unbuffed Spelldamage.

Well, for starters I have 5/5 subtlety, and blessing of salvation. I usually start each phase by helping to DPS down the first add, which gives the tanks a bit more time to get aggro on Hydross before I start in. If we have any hunters, they'll MD whenever they can at the beginning of a transition, which helps a bit too. Treants help some, with a nice boost of aggro free damage aswell.

I'm looking forward to our lurker attempts on monday, since I won't be aggro capped at all, and expect some really nice numbers.

Yeah, I refuse to do anything without Salv.... and I'm sick of respecing everyday so Ive been making do with out subtlety. And Im sure our WWS doesnt include my pet damage.

With the Hydross adds, we let the off tanks pick them up, and then they just get aoed. If I dare to starfire one of them, it will just come eat me.. I've tried lol.

Yeah lurker is a blast, no holding back there at all. I had a nice 27k lead on the person in second. And Im still using a staff from BM! (prince dagger will not drop )

How are moonkins having problems with threat? Just spec subtlety and you have an advantage over most other dps casters...

I would take a moonkin to raids myself, though improved FF isn't very great really imo. Most hunters max their hit easily. 2h dpsers do the same. Dual wielders stand to gain a bit since most aren't sitting at the cap through normal gear...but that dps boost might not be worth giving up other more beneficial talents to the moonkin's personal dps. Tough call really from what I see.

The point of having a moonkin is your players dont need to max hit anymore. They can use that itemization for other stats.

well, you'd only have to give up intensity, which can easily be replaced by 1 super mana pot during a fight.

even with subtlety I find my self getting close to tank aggro without a few misdirections.

I've been working with our raiding boomkin to try to push her numbers up. Her theoretical top dps raid-buffed is around 1200, but at that rate, only raid buffs, no group composition, she goes OOM in about 160 seconds (including pots). Her usual result is anywhere from 550-750, as recorded by WWS, usually with a group composition that doesn't favor her class.

I do notice that all of the "good" results being posted by boomkins have the most favorable possible group setup: boomkin, shadow priest, resto/ele shaman, and 2 casters. At that point, it seems like the group is being setup more for the benefit of the hybrids than the people they are supposed to be buffing.

When our raid runs with 3 mages, 3 locks, 2 SPs, a boomkin, and an ele shaman ... I can't justify stacking 3 of the 4 hybrids together with 2 casters, and telling the other 4 that they get "only" a shadow priest. I'm curious how you all manage to do that. Multiple shamans with multiple caster groups?

Well, we only have one real caster group. Myself, a elementals shaman, 2 fire mages and destro lock. The other locks are affliction and scattered around. I really have never needed a shadow priest. If I run oom i chugged pots incorrectly. Id give the shadow priest to your hunter group(the one wiht hunters locks and whatever else) and then the other one to the healer team. Is her going oom the only thing thats keeping her from doing dmg? Is she pulling off that kind of dmg for the first part of the fight before she goes oom?

Our first Archimonde kill we had moonkin there due to fact that we lacked people and ranged dps > melee dps cause of doomfires.

This was "slow fire" version of Archimonde. Our moonkin with way inferior gear to many casters and other form of dps was holding around 7th or so spot until he ran out of mana (he didn't have shadow priest, which would have surely made a big difference).

This druid though is very very good player so I'm quite sure he did most things right even though it was "first time in moonkin on very hard boss". I'm sure he didn't stopcast though which makes even more difference.

According to theorycraft that I have seen, single target dps from balance druid with equal gear can be pretty nice and of course additional raid buffing he will provide. We talked semi-seriously taking in balance druid for raiding, but I guess the sad fact that blizzard limited raid spots to 25 man (polymophs are must, tanks, warlock curses for raid dps, etc), this leaves very few spots for offspecs and to be accepted to in raids those people really need to do more than carry their own weight.

We had a long discussion about whether or not bring in Balance druids, and answer is sadly no...

But I still am sure that having one 99% active balance druid will benefit raid performance instead of gimp it.

WTB 30 raid spots in WotLK especially with new class coming to raids.

Here's a link to the movie:

http://files.method.no/movies/Method_vs_Archimonde.avi

Don't point finger at me, I was testing out demonology!

Can you analyze how our moonkin is doing?

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(amberle)

1. Think she needs subtlety so she can DPS harder. Without it well you have to hold back alot.
2. She needs more spell hit. 63 is not quite enough in my opinion.
3. Needs a better spell rotation. For example I only use starfire and FF on Hydross and on lurker since he only hits those close to him ranged DPS can go all out. I only use Starfire, FF and insect swarm on him and just spam it. We did lurker below last night and I was at 710 damage not my best but not too bad either.

AFhouston. So much to say.

First thing that obviously comes to mind is that your moonkin died very early. Which is pretty unexcusable on that fight. Also, even though he/she died early, she still sucked up a ridiculous amount of healing.

His reaction time is awful, check the dmg on the adds. What else could he be doing in that phase besides nuking them? Yet it seems like he hit 2 mobs 1 or 2 times during hte whole phase. Do you guys really burn them down that fast that each player gets 2 spells off(no, you dont)?

His resist rate is awful, 14.2% on our main dmg spell. He had awful luck or he doesnt have the 4% hit talent and has shit for plus hit gear. Even if he was having bad luck, a good amount of plus hit in his gear would help that a ton. I also coulndt find out from the WWS but i have a sneaking suspicion that he dropped dots on the adds, which really is useless for us.

My suggestions are for this moonkin to work up to at the very least plus 13% hit after talents, thats only 9% on gear. Thats about what i try to sit at because I usually get an elemetnal shaman. Then have the moonkin build up towards 1k before talents dmg. Make sure all their gear in completely enchanted. Im in 1/2 kara/heroic stuff, and half TK/SSC gear. However my starfirs average about 2500, with 5600 average crits.

So it seems like a mix between player skill(your moonkin takes lots of dmg and dies early), and gear. Eitiher hes gemming his gear wrong, or his gear is just bad atm. But he really should be hitting much harder and much more consistently. Also a good spell rotation helps. Since lurker doesnt own tanks too bad, he can probably drop to a (moonfire, x3starfire) rotation.

I think your WWS recorder needs to turn his range up to 200 yards, because either your moonkin dies in the first 30s of every fight, or there is a combat log range issue...

After looking at their armory, I see that their damage numbers should be way higher in a raid setting. something is just...off it seems =/

Our rogue (Ghettible) is the recorder and has the combat log range at 200 yards... :-/

Amberle has been consistently low on the DPS meters and I know nothing of the class spec. However, I did get some good comments here and I'll share them with her.

Thanks guys.