• tsigo

[Blade of Infamy] and [Merciless Gladiator's Quickblade]

Edit: Didn't realize you said "That's", but I assume you meant "What's".

 

songster

Nihilum completed the raid content weeks ago. I imagine he's re-tooled himself for more PvP viability, where +hit isn't nearly as important.

 

bf

I find it quite hard to belive that's the answer to his socket selection.

My guess is that 10hit gem design haven't dropped for Nihilum yet and until futher he actually gains dps from using that epicgem rather than using a non-epic 8hit gem.

 

Oie

Okay, new data. I used a 2.0 speed weapon (well, actually I just used my bare fist) this time around. I was not dual wielding, obviously, so as to avoid the potential issue with double procs. There were no other haste effects, and I did not have any misses/dodges/parries. Procwatch reported the following:

Hits: 18122
Procs: 1080
Time: 10:05:05
Hits/Proc: 16.7
Procs/Min: 1.7

As usual, actual number of procs was 540.

 

• Aldriana

540 / 18122 = 2.980% proc rate.

Std Dev = .126%

95% Confidence Range: 2.732% to 3.228% = .820 to .968 PPM

Still a little bit off one. I have no particularly good ideas for why that might be the case, alas.

 

Gogge

As Kapuras noted, procwatch isn't all that good as it doesn't count refreshing procs. Going through an old combat log (link) I get 88 gains over some 56 minutes of testing, about 1.6 PPM, but if you check the double/triple procs (link) it's more like 118 procs, or 2.1 PPM (and five gains of first aid so -50 seconds for bandags). And it's still a conservative count as some of the procs are 20+ seconds it's likely that there are some double counts that should be triple, and some triple might be quadruple procs. It's just some 2500 attacks so not reliable on the PPM, and I can't remember the speed of the weapons (2.9/2.6 I think) and I think it's an OH sword so there are some sword procs, but should at least say something about only using procwatch to monitor gains.

Great work on getting data Oie, i wish I had more time/gear myself, do you have combat logs also?

 

• Aldriana

Except that he's using the haste-canceling macro so as to accurately count overlapping procs, so that explanation doesn't work.

 

Oie

Does it have to be an even number? Why couldn't something like .9 PPM work?

 

Oie

No, I do not. If I take another data sample, I will make sure to get them though.

 

Kurani

I would like to know the proc rate on Warp Spring Coil and if, in overall, it's better than Tsunami Talisman for a Combat Rogue.



Thx in advance, very usefull reading!

 

• Aldriana

I believe consensus on WSC is that it's a 25% proc rate with a 30 sec hidden cooldown. Regarding how it compares to Tsunami Talisman: for a sword rogue, it's pretty close, perhaps a hair better; I haven't checked on a dagger rogue lately. The difficulty is that neither rogue spreadsheet does a particularly good job of modeling it right now, a fact which will be remedied in version 0.7 of the Rogue Gear sheet once I have time to get that out. In the meantime, I would say it's too close to call; I subscribed to the "whatever drops first" algorithm for picking between them.

 

Gogge

Ah, since the data was over 10 hrs I didn't think he did, my bad.

 

Duskmourn

BETA
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2.../procwtest.jpg

2.6 speed/1.5 speed weapons using 1s(cut)/5r with max hit and all cooldowns as normal the proc came out to be 1.5ppm
LIVE
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...kmourn/WSC.jpg

 

Marvie

I have a question about two meta gems. I would have started a new topic but I can't post them for some reason.

[Relentless Earthstorm Diamond] vs. [Thundering Skyfire Diamond]

From the last discussion it seemed to be still under debate but was leaning towards the Thundering even with the fairly low procrate.

Now my question is, is there a point where Relentless becomes better DPS (with a higher critrate)?

At first I thought so depending on the critrate then I realized that the haste proc essentially gives more procs of things like Mongoose and DST and now I'm completely unsure towards one or the other.

 

• Aldriana

Again, for exact answers, you'll need to wait for one of the spreadsheets to get updated with an accurate model of both gems; but, based on my rough estimates after the data collected in this thread, I would say that RED and TSD are comperable in terms of sustained DPS for my current gear, and RED fairs better in interrupted fights. As such, I would say RED is likely superior for me (see my Armory link for details; crit rate is ~25%).

 

Malan

I just stumbled into this thread and wasn't sure if you guys had seen this post WoW BlueTracker: Blue Response plz to Meta gem question. regarding the RED. Drysc says there that the bonus damage is supposed to be a 3% modifier to the base crit damage, so it should be 203%.

Shitting up every single thread on EJ since '06

 

• Aldriana

Roq sent me a data set on Blackout Truncheon - 2911 hits, 70 procs. Examining the log indicates the presence of overlapping procs, so we can conclude that Blackout Truncheon proc has no internal cooldown.

Looking at the proc durations, we find 2 procs of length over 21 seconds, and 18 with a length between 11 and 21 seconds. Hence, there were, at minimum, 92 procs. Working out the numbers for 92 procs, we find that the true proc rate lies somewhere between 2.53% and 3.80% with 95% confidence.

If someone would like to take more data to pin this down further, that would be great.

 

Oie

I can possibly get you a log and data set sometime this weekend. Is there a way to track multiple procs or would just providing the combat log be sufficient for all your needs? Basically, if I'm going to auto-attack a mob for 10 hours, I might as well try to get the most out of it. I have a Blackout Truncheon, TSD, and a DST, all for which there still exist some questions behind their exact mechanics. Is there any compelling reason I wouldn't want to try and get data on all of them at once, and if not, is there anything I should know or keep in mind before I go about collecting the data? Thanks.

 

• Aldriana

Collecting data with all 3 of those going should work fine. The only caveat is that when testing a weapon, you can't really dual-wield without interfering with the testing. But as long as you just beat away with the single weapon, it should be fine, as all 3 buffs have different names.

 

Gifpaste

are the blasted land mobs really the only good place to test DPS outside of a raid?

 

Xaoc

Blasted lands mobs are not a good way to test DPS, as their armor and defense values are much lower than raid mobs. AFAIK, there are no "Dr. Boom" melee type of mobs to test on. Blastest lands mobs are pretty much the best mobs to test for proc rates.

 

letha

i noticed the spreadsheet does not contain the minor haste http://www.thottbot.com/s13948 glove enchant. i would be interested in testing from what point on the 10 haste rating enchant on outweighs the 15agi glove enchant. or is this possibly even planned for the new version ? if so and i have just not found anything about it yet i apologize.

 

• Aldriana

That's actually discussed in the spreadsheet thread; it is planned for the next version, although it doesn't surpass 15 agi until very high levels of gear/buff.

 

Grunge

14) What is the procrate (percent?) for Warp-spring Coil? Also is there any difference to the procrate (percent?) when using Mutilate vs Combat (Mutilate is considered as 2 specials?)

Unconfirmed: Wowhead comments suggest 25%? True, False?

15) Does Warp-spring Coil have a internal cooldown? If yes then how long is it?

Unconfirmed: Again Wowhead comments offer us a 20second internal cooldown. Can anyone confirm this?

16) How to model Ashtongue Talisman for mutilate rogues? Currently one spreadsheet does not support mutilate and the other one (In my humble opinion) undervalues it the trinket for that spec.

Edit. Uh actually I'm not sure about the 16), does the question belong here? While it is a general question it falls more towards one of the spreadsheets. The final decision rests with you I guess.

Fans glory to the Gladiators,
Gods glory to the Heroes.

 

Alexsiss

Wow Web Stats

WWS from someoen with twin blades

The procs:
05:32'58.515 Furi gains The Twin Blades of Azzinoth
05:33'29.796 Furi gains The Twin Blades of Azzinoth
05:33'49.484 Furi gains The Twin Blades of Azzinoth
05:34'01.921 Furi gains The Twin Blades of Azzinoth
05:34'13.984 Furi gains The Twin Blades of Azzinoth
05:34'33.218 Furi gains The Twin Blades of Azzinoth

Shortest time between procs is 12 secs. Longest being about 20ish
Also it seems he got same amout of dst procs as the twin blades. Kind of a small sample but its better than nothing for estimation