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Old 07/17/07, 5:17 PM   #26
keltzed
Glass Joe
 
Human Death Knight
 
Earthen Ring
Some suggestions:

There are some places where your gear could be improved significantly, as people have mentioned. Getting a Runic Hammer or the equivalent axe as an offhand would be a big win, and some of the badges-bought gear from heroics would also help. Another thought is that the PvP gear you're using has a lot of resilience on it, which is of lesser utility in PvE.

Finding a spot in groups is a bit of a challenge, particularly if you're mostly dealing with PUGs. It gets a lot easier if you can develop some contacts who you run with regularly and show them the strengths that a shaman brings to the table. My suggestion there is to keep in mind that you're a hybrid, and play to your strengths. In particular, having a DPSer who's good about stepping in to off-heal when things get rough can be a huge win in tough 5-man instances, and if you can get good at that people will start noticing that runs go really well with you around. That's one area where a good shaman can really shine, but where you'll have to prove yourself somewhat because many peoples' opinions of shaman are molded by runs with less-skilled players (an effect which certainly isn't limited to the shaman class).
 
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Old 07/17/07, 5:37 PM   #27
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My enhancement/resto grinding spec was very popular in 5-man instances in early TBC (a few weeks after hitting 70 I switched to Resto for raiding). I'd DPS for much of the instance, then switch to healing gear for the crab boss, or double Underbog Guy pull, etc. My DPS was decent but not great, but I brought some nice versatility to the group. I'd have LHW ready if the the tank took a spike, and Earthbind is nice for keeping people alive if a mob breaks loose. Bloodlust helps a lot on minute-long DPS race fights, so you more than make up your DPS deficiency there. Switching between healing and DPS on demand (whether pre-pull or during the fight) just makes instance runs smoother. Frequent interrupts help pull ranged mobs, help control the amount of damage the party takes, etc.

I never ran out-of-guild though; I just can't stand PUGs. Also, grouping without a paladin sucked, so I avoided that situation at all costs.

I also just realized that almost none of what I said had to do with DPS. I think that's telling: as you can tell by the thread title, you're looking for the wrong reasons to bring an enhancement shaman to a group.

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Old 07/17/07, 6:19 PM   #28
mek
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Originally Posted by Erongg View Post
My enhancement/resto grinding spec was very popular in 5-man instances in early TBC (a few weeks after hitting 70 I switched to Resto for raiding). I'd DPS for much of the instance, then switch to healing gear for the crab boss, or double Underbog Guy pull, etc. My DPS was decent but not great, but I brought some nice versatility to the group. I'd have LHW ready if the the tank took a spike, and Earthbind is nice for keeping people alive if a mob breaks loose.
Yes, this was my strategy as well to get regularly invited to heroics - a full set of resto gear gathered from quests/nonheroics which I put on for more healing intensive pulls/bosses. Helped a lot, definitely; and kiting is another way you can earn your 5man slot as in many instances it's as good as or better than real cc.
 
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Old 07/17/07, 6:20 PM   #29
everwatch
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In my experience you are limited in Heroics as many have said here. Your ideal situation is going to be with a Paladin for Salvation, and then a Tankadin or Feral tank. They have higher mutli target threat gen, so typically speaking they will give you more room to open up after the first mob is down. Your threat generation is your biggest issue.

To modify that keep in mind you can decrease some of your casts which have no talented threat modifier and you can avoid using SR at threat sensitive times. Also trade your threat out to other mobs if you have 2+ targets alive. Switch targets for 2-4 seconds once a tank has established agro to drop a couple of hits on another target before switching back to the main kill target. It will allow you to drop additional dps without running your threat cap at all times. It's the same concept as Locks dropping dot's on other mobs in the fight.

Sadly, I am an Ex-Enhancement Shaman who respec'd to Elemental. My totem was poor, and I had a poor trinket as well. But everything else was damn good recently. Got my T5 helm, DW'ing Decapitator and Netherbane, etc... But I found 2 problems I did not know what to do about. I was threat capped on any mob that was a "trash" mob. I could only truly open up on bosses. And also, without the tools that Rogues have available, I had serious survivability issues. But even with doing everything I found on average I could not consistently ever stay in the top 5 dps in raids. Which is reflected in 5 man heroics as well where you don't get as much support or buffs from your raid members.

But I can tell you this as an upside. I typically in a raid was grouped with 3 rogues. Breaking down the % of their damage that was WF alone and nothing else, that total damage added into my total *always* put me in the top 3 dps on every raid. Enhancement is aptly name, because a lot of your role is involved with enhancing your party.

If you want to have the high numbers for *just you* then go Elemental. If you wanna really help the raid with the Rogues, then Enhancement is 100% solid. But you'll have to live with your threat cap and deal with it. As far as Resto...if you're Enhancement I imagine you want to be dps...so I'll leave that be.

If you can't live with your personal numbers being lower and being a support dps role, then you may need to readdress your class and/or spec. As Enhancement, 5 man runs will never be your strong point. Soloing and Raids are where you shine, and you shine as a support dps role.

 
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Old 07/17/07, 6:35 PM   #30
Ilmater
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Originally Posted by keltzed View Post
Some suggestions:

There are some places where your gear could be improved significantly, as people have mentioned. Getting a Runic Hammer or the equivalent axe as an offhand would be a big win, and some of the badges-bought gear from heroics would also help. Another thought is that the PvP gear you're using has a lot of resilience on it, which is of lesser utility in PvE.
As I said before, I got the equivalent axe, but found out that it did less dps than this does. By a lot.

As for the PvP gear, I realize the resilience uses some of the item budget and is utterly useless in PvE, but I challenge you to find pieces with better AEP. The only bracers better in Kara or before are Bracers of Maliciousness - Items - World of Warcraft and Shard-bound Bracers - Items - World of Warcraft. Not much there. The only boots pre-kara better than those are the Shadowstep Striders - Items - World of Warcraft from Heroic Arc (ran it a few times with no success yet).

Finding a spot in groups is a bit of a challenge, particularly if you're mostly dealing with PUGs. It gets a lot easier if you can develop some contacts who you run with regularly and show them the strengths that a shaman brings to the table. My suggestion there is to keep in mind that you're a hybrid, and play to your strengths. In particular, having a DPSer who's good about stepping in to off-heal when things get rough can be a huge win in tough 5-man instances, and if you can get good at that people will start noticing that runs go really well with you around. That's one area where a good shaman can really shine, but where you'll have to prove yourself somewhat because many peoples' opinions of shaman are molded by runs with less-skilled players (an effect which certainly isn't limited to the shaman class).
I personally feel that I am extremely good at playing the hybrid spot-healing role, and I'm very aware of fights where I'm most useful in that capacity. Sepethrea for one, I can really shine because healers can't always be in range of those taking damage. However, warlocks are almost a MUST here (at least my server thinks they are), and mages are highly recommended, so I have to fight for that last spot with a lot of other classes. I mention this to show that, while I feel I play my class well and work always to get better when I can, it's still really difficult to find a group.
 
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Old 07/17/07, 6:53 PM   #31
Tidalclyps
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Zul'Jin
I really gotta say, after the wf bug fix/nerf I was expecting to be doing a lot worse on the meters. Yeah we used to top meters in many lower end instances but we'll never be top if you have amazing DPSers in your raid. Warriors, rogues, warlocks will almost always beat you.

Personally my normal group is 1 DPS warrior, and either 3 rogues or 2 rogues and a druid. Now I'll never beat the warrior or rogues in damage on a fight where everything is equal but with the amount of DPS I give them from Unleashed Rage, SOE and WF totem, it more than makes up for what I don't do. We are support DPS, yeah the more the better but no one should ever think you aren't a quality player because you never finish first. It just means other people in your raid are doing their job correctly.
 
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Old 07/17/07, 11:16 PM   #32
Hotiedraenei
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Shadowsong
I am in a guild that is still in progressing for the Karazan Key. I have been looking thru the threads and I didn't see much suggestions for main hand weapons that were not in Heroic Instances or the raiding zones. I Have completed my First fragment quest for the Karazan Key. I have the 2nd Fragment, and I still need the 3rd Fragment for the key.

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I am in a 2v2, 3v3, and a 5v5 arena. This morning before I found this website and started reading the Shaman threads on this site I had purchased the Veteran Linked Girdle. I am planning on buying this next for either MH or OH Grand Marshal's Pummeler and then go with the Merciless Gladiator's Pummeler. I currently have 1371 Arena Points, and around 1k Honor points atm.

Should I buy the Merciless Gladiator's Link Armor set with my Arena points, or buy the Pummeler first? Also do you recommend the Arena Leather sets over the Mail sets with the Stormstrike set bonus?

The Weapons I currently have to choose from are the following:
Retainer's Blade
Apexis Crystal Mace
Diamond Tipped Claws of the Champion
Gladiator's Left Ripper

I saw that for gems it is recommended that you put in the following for socket colors:
Itemization - Gems
Best bets are to use
Red socket: [Bold Living Ruby].
Yellow socket:[Inscribed Noble Topaz].
Blue socket: [Sovereign Nightseye].

The [Rigid Dawnstone] is always the wrong answer for enhance shaman.
The [Bold Living Ruby] will always be better then [Bright Living Ruby] in a raid environment due to Blessing of Kings.
Well from that list I do not have the Inscribed Noble Topaz. So what would be recommend based on my current designs I already own?

Blue:
Lustrous Star of Elune
Sparkling Star of Elune
Stormy Star of Elune

Green:
Dazzling Talasite
Jagged Talasite
Radiant Talasite

Meta:
Insightful Earthstorm Diamond
Swift Skyfire Diamond

Orange:
Glinting Noble Topaz
Luminous Noble Topaz
Potent Noble Topaz
Wicked Noble Topaz

Purple:
Glowing Nightseye
Shifting Nightseye
Soverign Nightseye
Purified Shadow Pearl

Red:
Bold Living Ruby
Bright Living Ruby
Delicate Living Ruby
Runed Living Ruby

Yellow:
Brilliant Dawnstone
Rigid Dawnstone
Smooth Dawnstone
Thick Dawnstone


Any help you can offer or suggestions to help better my dps in Arena's, Battlegrounds and groups and raids would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Old 07/18/07, 12:35 AM   #33
 Rob
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Draenei Shaman
 
Burning Blade
Originally Posted by Hotiedraenei View Post
Should I buy the Merciless Gladiator's Link Armor set with my Arena points, or buy the Pummeler first?
Pummeler first, it's a PvE upgrade.
Also do you recommend the Arena Leather sets over the Mail sets with the Stormstrike set bonus?
No. Unlike in PvE, in PvP your armor class actually matters.
Well from that list I do not have the Inscribed Noble Topaz. So what would be recommend based on my current designs I already own?
If you aren't willing to buy Inscribed or get them from guildies, just put the +8 str gem in all the slots and forgo the socket bonus.
 
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Old 07/18/07, 1:16 AM   #34
panny
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You really, really need Salvation to do good DPS. Failing that, a good tank (probably feral).

I had few threat issues with heroic five mans, but that was because I grouped alot with my Guild's main feral.
 
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Old 07/03/08, 11:47 PM   #35
Redshaman
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Shaman
 
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Hello there...i was bit bored and i sayd let's take a look on enhancement shaman posts ... And what i saw loads of shit's...apologies...If you want to stay enhancement...just stay...u good loads of action...I have played 3 chars...mage / lock / rogue , all of them runing in t6 raids. No one of those chars make me happy, when i build a shaman...thing's change...4/5 times im on top dps in raids...( NO Heroics ) ...and not because mages / lock's / rogues from my guild r not well geared...just because im a shaman...is very simple to play a mage...lock / rogue same thing. If u r 1 of those classes and u see ur in top dps...thank's to shamans...because they doing 48% from total buff's ( 30% from your total damage ), BUT if u r a shaman...be your self...u don't need to be 1st in top dps...if u want that...well is very easy. I don't want to say im the best, but i'm really tired to see mages / locks / rogues sayd "yeah...im in 1st top again"...and now they don't give pay atention to shamans...esppecialy to enha...

>Totem makes me grow uP<
 
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Old 07/04/08, 2:12 AM   #36
xarg
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Night Elf Warrior
 
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A stunning first post. I'll refrain from trolling, but please try to keep posts on this forum grammatically correct, using correct punctuation and spelling. This isn't the official wow forums.

Your post is extremely difficult to read. You've also bumped a thread from a year ago.
 
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Old 07/04/08, 6:15 AM   #37
Ensh
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Orc Shaman
 
Scilla
I was recently enhance, I level'd as enhance, and raided as enhance for quite a while, made my way into tk and ssc, then suddenly decided to respec to elemental, As enhance i would come in the top 6 for dps ALWAYS, even while i was droping wf/soe/ms For the other members of the group, Perhaps you're doing something wrong? Honestly if you stay on the ball you will get to the top of the meters, I NEVER socket for hit and try and mainly just socket for strength, Recently going str/crit though to raise my crit rating lol.
As for threat, Start dpsing alot later, Although it will gimp you You'll not have to worry about geting your face melted by said mob, And you can really open up, Thats what i always did and i never seemed to pull
 
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Old 07/04/08, 11:31 AM   #38
 Juice
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Year old thread bumped with two worthless posts = thread closed.
 
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