Cross-Class Numbers Request - AP:DPS - Page 2

Groggan · 07/31/07, 6:48 PM

Originally Posted by frmorrison

I feel the best method is just just using a general rule of thumb, say there are 3 Rogues using the 1 AP gives 0.32 dps number, so if they gained 300 AP via EW that means 288 dps added for the 3 Rogues for however long EW lasts.

For a Felguard (who only has 1 special attack every 6 seconds), 1 AP is .17 dps, this is for a raid buffed FG.

I think that is the most reasonable method, yes, but not the best. The best would be to get each of your physical dpsers in your raid to calculate out their real DPS:AP ratio (it will change for a given player based on everything from gear to spec to play style to expected buffs) and then use those ratios to find their DPS increase from EW. But, in leu of that if we can get a good sampling of DPS:AP ratios for class/spec/style for a general gearing level I think we can get a useful set of numbers in getting a feel for EW's worth.

Kiklion · 07/31/07, 11:10 PM

Using cheeky's spread sheet and creating a custom weapon that has 1 ap more then my sonic spear, while maintaining other stats caused me to gain .2 dps.

Since dps from 1 ap is based on crit%, mob armor, -armor effects, spec, shot rotation and weapon speed, I'm going to list mine. >.<

2.8 speed weapon
2.02 after haste rating (BM spec 41/20/0)

26.53% crit

Mob was lvl 73 with assumed 4700 armor (30.8% reduction)

Shot rotation was simply auto/steady with no KC and no arcane shot since I don't know how to add those into cheeky's spread sheet.

After sunder (or minus 2600 armor) it came to be .27 dps for the hunter.

Now for the pet.

From the hunter wiki : Pets get about 22% of the hunter's ranged attack power added to their melee attack power.

So, 1/.22 = 4.545454 etc. So, 4.545454 AP for the hunter = 1 AP for the pet.

Giving me a weapon with 5 more ap then sonic spear, and having the mob have 4700 armor, gave me .1 dps to the pet. This is assuming Unleashed fury, ferocity, and full happiness with a scorpid.

If I change the armor down to 2100, I get .12 dps added per AP.

It is .14 dps with 2100 armor and a ravager or cat.

So, with a hunter with almost all of the kara gear, 1 AP is worth .3 to .41 dps depending on armor of the boss and pet type. (.3 being 4700 or about 30% reduc, and .41 is with a ravager and 2100 armor or 16.6 reduct.)

Groggan · 07/31/07, 11:19 PM

That seems to be pretty typical for BM hunters from what I've seen so far. Thanks for taking the time to add your numbers Kiklion

Groggan · 08/08/07, 8:25 PM

Giving this a single bump in hopes of getting some more data points from theory-crafters (I'll let it die if no one adds to it after this).

ugla · 08/10/07, 11:10 AM

You can't really do this anyways. You have to know what AP/crit/hit/etc the people you're buffing are at. 200AP is a lot more valuable to someone at the hit cap and with 30% crit than to someone who is a few percent below the hit cap with 20% crit.
Expose Weakness scales extremely well in 25-mans, though. I just turned into my guild's expose weakness bot, and it is working out pretty well. I have only lost a couple spots on damage meters and am giving a raid-wide 235-ish AP, and spec'd into Imp. Hunter's Mark for the added utility.

Groggan · 08/10/07, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by ugla

You can't really do this anyways. You have to know what AP/crit/hit/etc the people you're buffing are at. 200AP is a lot more valuable to someone at the hit cap and with 30% crit than to someone who is a few percent below the hit cap with 20% crit.
Expose Weakness scales extremely well in 25-mans, though. I just turned into my guild's expose weakness bot, and it is working out pretty well. I have only lost a couple spots on damage meters and am giving a raid-wide 235-ish AP, and spec'd into Imp. Hunter's Mark for the added utility.

Oh, I know you can't get an exact number without that information, but we can get a much better general feel for EW's value. We can low-ball it a bit and still find that in a raid of 9 physical damagers it can reach upwards of 500 raid-dps contribution thanks to the numbers already shared.

By all accounts from here and elsewhere that I've been gathering numbers here's the general numbers I am using for the value of 1AP for TK/SSCish gear levels:
rogues - .3DPS
hunters - .3DPS
enh. shaman - .25DPS
fury warriors - .35DPS
arms warriors - .3DPS
feral druids - .2DPS
prot warriors - ? (.14TPS:1AP reported from one prot warrior)
ret paladins - ?

These numbers would go down for pre TK/SSC gear and up for BT/Hyjal gear.

ugla · 08/10/07, 1:32 PM

Originally Posted by Groggan

By all accounts from here and elsewhere that I've been gathering numbers here's the general numbers I am using for the value of 1AP for TK/SSCish gear levels:
rogues - .3DPS
hunters - .3DPS
enh. shaman - .25DPS
furry warriors - .35DPS
arms warriors - .3DPS
feral druids - .2DPS
prot warriors - ?
ret paladins - ?

Just an added consideration, a prot warrior probably wouldn't see .3DPS per AP, but what is more important to a prot warrior anyways is threat per second--which could easily be .3TPS per AP.

Apate · 08/10/07, 1:44 PM

Originally Posted by Groggan

furry warriors - .35DPS

One "r" please

We aren't druids, and, speaking for myself, people wearing tails don't get me excited.

Groggan · 08/10/07, 3:20 PM

Originally Posted by Apate

One "r" please

We aren't druids, and, speaking for myself, people wearing tails don't get me excited.

Hehe, woopsie.