That's a retarded rumor that's been around since release, I don't know why in god's name people still believe it and continue to spread it around, but it increases the damage of your MS by 5%, not just the bonus part. =/ It's like having another 5% 2-hand spec on your MS basically.

The rumor is right up there with Sword Spec doesn't proc off yellow attacks. God I hate the stupidity that comes from the Warrior boards at times.

Err, not blaming you btw, just what happens when misinformation starts getting into circulation.

probably getting sword spec confused with WF :P

Blizzard changing the description on the talent probably doesn't help when it comes to clearing up the rumours and murkiness around Sword Spec and WF and anything extra attack, really.

When I was checking Sword Spec on the PTR last week, there was a wording change to the talent.

I don't have the exact wording in front of me, but on Live it roughly says chance of a another attack "when you deal damage with your sword".

On the PTR it now says chance of an extra attack "when you hit things with your sword". I thought it was an odd change to make. Apologies if this has been noted before. I'll post screenies when I get home tonight from work.

Screenshots as noted for Warrior. The 2.2 notes are next to the pic.

Live 2.1.3


PTR 2.2.0

- A Warrior's Overpower will properly become available when one of his Sword Specialization procs is dodged by another player.
- Sword Specialization: This talent’s free extra attacks can no longer trigger additional extra attacks.

you don't want a 2.5 sec hasted weapon. you have to account for the lag and reactiontime to make perfect cycles.

I did a lot of calculations on what happens if you break the cycle (ie have a 2.4 weapon speed for example) and the results where not that devastating. The dps did go down ofc, but since every 4th instant you can't do an instant it kind of self-adjusts.

I still find 2.7-2.8 the best real deal hasted speed. accounting lag and reactiontime you generally always get the cycles perfect and yields optimum dps.

Has this been tested? The wording sounds like it might work as WF does nowadays...

I'm a recent convert to the 2h MS/Slam dps warrior crowd, having been a dedicated prot warrior for my TBC raiding career. I've managed to more or less match the guild Fury warrior in dps on static fights, occasionally pulling just ahead of him, so I'm pretty happy with my performance so far.

I've been looking at how I can get more dps, and haste potions came to mind. When I used to occasionally respec Fury for fights like Vashj (when being prot was extraneous), haste pots were obviously great. However, with 3/5 Flurry and a Haste pot up, my attack speed with Lionheart Champion (no haste gear at present) drops to 2.27. Bloodlust would drop it even lower.

Obviously, this fucks up the auto/slam/instant/repeat rotation, so what does one do instead? Just get your instants on CD, and then auto/slam? Or would Heroic potions be a better source of added dps, since they don't mess with my attack cycles?

I would say you should take insane strength potions instead haste potions then.

Wow, I completely forgot about these. DUR. Thanks!

This may stray a bit off topic, but it seemed to be the most applicable thread (that has already strayed from the first post)

Long story short, what is the rough difference between a 33/28 warrior who does and does not use Slam? Assume no windfury, and the 'no slam' warrior uses hs/cleave as a rage dump when he has excess. Also no +haste gear as we aren't in BT/Hyjal.

I'm asking because I am trying to evaluate the performance of a dps warrior, and not sure where he should lie in the charts right now. I've always been prot or fury and he is our only MS warrior post-expansion, so where an arms warrior fits in our raid is a bit up in the air.

I'm trying to help someone that is not a forum junky or theorycrafter improve his performance... but I'm trying to determine how much is a lack of knowledge/trying new things, and how much is laziness.

Thanks for any input. Oh the joys of leadership

Not that you are, but i think that one has to be careful looking at people like Serida and concluding slam is overrated. In general, i dont think looking at the 2handed wars on the top kills in wws is a good sample size. A good number of them were pre-WF nerf and since 2handed dps has a good bit more variability than DW, it is harder to get a sense of what the average dps is at. Now if someone has a BL Guild wws link we could do a better analysis on Serida and If/How he has superior dps. It can be spec, skill, specific gear such as armor penetration/weapon etc.

As for me, i would also say proper slam usage is 150-200 dps more.