I'm thinking about to suggest my raid using EA with Warrior/Warrior at Brutallus. Reading the post of Shha it seems reasonable.

2H Warrior DPS is very respectable when played correctly. I'm amazed I rarely see any 2H DPS'ers around, except for Ret Pallies, and so on.

Anyways, my Warrior's name is Crank, located on Arthas (Horde). If you WoWArmory him, I was wondering what would be the most wise upgrade for my DPS? I am currently utilizing Stormherald, Badge Chest piece, S1 Helm/Pants, S4 Gloves, Worgen Necklace, etc. Crap gear, I know. Anyhow, I was thinking about going ahead and farming my 150 badges for the 2H Axe, considering I am Orc, thus benefiting greatly from my racial Axe Expertise.

Do that.

Stormherald will produce very bad DPS due to having no 5% crit or sword spec.

Or get ZA Jin'Rhok / PvP S2/S3 Sword (All have more DPS than Stunherald, in addition they are Swords)

If you have much gold, buy Cats from a Guild that can kill Archimond with 24 man and you. But Dropluck needed.

1 Warrior in Raid

Ok, so I am pretty much a utility warrior in our raids atm. Our main prot warrior hasn't been raiding for a week or so and I have been going back and forth between prot and arms, which is my main spec for the past week. We ran Brut last night and the other furry/arms warrior was also gone last night, so I was the only warrior in raid. Now normally I tank Brut, but we happened to have two ferals last night, so I got to dps him.

Anyway, I ended up having to keep up thunder clap. I think I did alright by just winging it, first few attempts I failed at it I think, but I figured out a good rotation by the third attempt, our kill.

Was looking for anyone else that has been in this position, and if they have any pointers of maxing dps while keeping two debuffs up and having to switch to battle every 30 seconds. Here is the WWS.

WWS

Sounds painful but you could try staying in battle stance. Try and get a feral for some extra crit, and make sure your shaman is twisting totems.

You lose whirlwind but you could replace it with heroic strike and if you have debuff room, you can use hamstring as well to try and proc blood frenzy/deep wounds/flurry/WF.

That way you wouldn't be losing extra rage stance dancing.

I think there's a clear-cut difference between a PvP spec and a PvE spec. Maces doesn't fit into any raid encounter and its use in 5 mans is negligible. You're far better off having an axe or sword, where the 5% (whether it be crit or a swing chance that can crit itself) makes one hell of a difference. As an Orc, your racial means that with both points in Weapon Mastery you're better off just farming the 150 badges and starting out with a shiny welfare axe. With all the dailies available nowadays there isn't really much excuse for players to be lazy and stick to one spec and gear set if they want to raid. For an Arms Warrior, in PvE that's sword or axes depending on which weapons you have easiest access to, and in PvP a mace. Then make sure you're at the hit cap (142), from there it's strength/crit pretty much all the way.

Well, the best way I found at doing it was just doing demo and thunder clap every 30 seconds. And trying to dump rage before I make the switch with timers and herioc. This meant I missed a good amount of timers as when I went back I would be raged starved for a MS or WW. In the end I did decent damage, but I remember seeing a MS warrior do 2k+ and keep up Thunder clap, so I am thinking there is a trick to it. One that maybe I have but not perfected.

Also I tried to time the switch before a swing, and after I dumped. That way I could have rage to thunder and demo, and switch back before next swing. A few times though I would get a proc and I would try and dump rage in battle or beserker, which led thunder and demo falling off early. It worked out nicely more times than not though, I think once I dumped about half a bar of rage to go back to beserker because I kept getting procs while in battle.

It was an added fun feature to Arms dps for sure. I made the rogue respec as well, adding sunders to the mix was to much.

Hello all im new to EJ, i've mostly been reading through the forums didnt reply anything.
I was wondering can you tell me which is the best in slot item for a BT farming guild (arms ofc)?

Here is my armory
The World of Warcraft Armory
and yes i do know the darkmoon card sux a lot but i have been really unlucky with the drops from mgt and even BM
and is the 4 set bonus from tier 6 THAT good?


Thanks in advance.

4*T6 is compared to Caster Classes horrible crap. Let Caster have their T6 from BT/HS first, exept Shoulders, they are good if Hitcapped without Winterchills Shoulders.

4*T6 bonus gives you +5% dmg on an attack that does 10-25% of your dmg (MS about 10-15% Furry about 20-25%) so in the best case its 1.25% dmg increase.

No Warrior wears 4*T6 if he has access to all Items in Game.

Easy upgrade for you Season 4 Chest. 1600 Rating required and better than T6/Archimonde Midnights Chest pieces. If you have the Points and the Rating and are Hitcapped without the Illidari Shatter Helm, get Season 4 Helm.

I dont know if its an arsenal Error, but you should enchant your Chestpiece with +6 all stats.

So, I'm looking for suggestions on how to help my (in my opinion) abysmally low dps.

First, here's a WWS of our best attempt on Brutallus last night. Our raid DPS, by and large, is coming along great, but I'd like to feel like I'm contributing more than I am.

Ekeri - WWS

Now, things to note about last night.

1. I was axe spec, using Soul Cleaver. Yeah, yeah, but I had this crazy idea that the expertise would make up for the loss of 8 weapon dps from Cat's Edge and the extra stats and sword spec etc. We do silly shit when we're desperate. So that would account for some lost dps.

2. If you start looking at other attempts, some of my low dps can be attributed to Windfury Totem uptime. Our shaman was learning twisting, and was also having periodic connection/macro problems, so there were several times where I was without Windfury for significant portions of attempts (like 20-30s sometimes). I don't believe the attempt I have linked above was one of those.

Regardless, I'm not happy with pulling <1400dps. I know that Bloodlust+Cooldown Bomb at Execute range will up this a chunk, as will using Demonslaying elixirs. We were using 2 drums all night, though sometimes we have 3. Hit food (since in current gear I'm under the hit cap) was used every attempt. That's about it for consumables.

Is there something that can be done with my gear? For reference, I don't have a couple of the really desireable pieces for certain slots - still waiting on Illidari Shatterer helm/Divine Ret legs, and T6 bracers should be mine tomorrow unless no prot pieces drop. I have Midnight Chest sitting in my bank, along with Legguards of Endless Rage. Choker of Endless Nightmares, I'm like 6th-7th in line for one, so that's not going to happen.

I think my main issue is that I'm feeling like my crit is really low, even gemming big time for it. Just over 30% unbuffed in zerker stance feels horribly bad, and in practice, I have really wicked critless streaks (melee group is typically me/rogue/rogue/retpally/enhshammy).

I guess what I'm looking for is some quick tips or pointing out of obvious, glaring problems. I'm a guild officer and one of the raid leaders, so I'm really very conscious about not pulling my own weight.

@Corkscrew

I think you are being too rigid about your Slam rotation. I also have a Soul Cleaver (don't have Cats) and because of the speed you are better off DPS wise not sticking to a strict rotation. Rather than using slam after every swing (and thus forcing you to lose CD time on MS and WW), keep MS and WW on cooldown and use slam only when you can fit it in. Heroic strike when needed. I usually end up doing slams only on about 1/2 to 2/3 of my white swings this way, but the extra heroic strike damage, extra white damage, and extra MS/WW (and slightly less clipping of windfury) seem to make up for it.

But since you have Cat's I have no idea why you wouldn't use it Using it would probably boost your dps 100-200 because of its better stats, speed, and sword spec.

I would go with midnight chest piece maybe, that is a big upgrade, and once you updgrade your legs and your helm you will see a good increase. I would go for cursed vision instead of illdari but take what you can get.

I played around with axe spec and did not like the results on brutalus. I would go with cats edge for brut no matter what, the armor pen for him is huge for your dps. And once you get legs switch to the other kneck piece as well.

Your dps isn't bad for early attempts, like others have said it will go up with longer attempts. And with the sunwell gear you will see big increases on dps. Alot of your dps is figuring out how to use your timers right for the fight.

I bet if you got a kill with your current setup you will hit 1500 easy, which isn't to bad. As long as your are using the consumables listed above.

Not having windfury for that long probably hurt you pretty bad btw.

I'd have to agree with this. I'm using the badge axe, and I tend to only slam on white swings when MS/WW are on cooldown. I also hit HS whenever I'm over ~70-80 rage. Occasionally this leads to missing an MS, but more often it means I work in more HS, and don't waste rage from WF procs. WWS from a couple weeks back. I don't have a more current one due to missing a few weeks on Brut, and tonight's not being posted yet.

Regarding the posts about not slamming if you could WW or MS:

I find that dps is best if you always slam after each white attack, even if it means not doing an MS or WW. However, I use cataclysm's edge which is only 3.5 speed, so its possible that a very slow weapon would be different?

I find that queueing heroic strike is only good if youre at 100 rage. Much less than that and it could result in the loss of a special attack a few seconds later. For example: you have only 70 rage and queue HS:
HS goes off: 58 rage, slam immediately = 43 rage, MS next CD = 13 rage, White hit happens: 13+X rage, slam immediately = X-2 rage, WW next CD = -27+X rage. If your attack didnt generate 27 rage you dont get to WW. Even if it did, if it didnt crit youre out of rage, and you might now get enough rage from your next attack to slam+MS.

HS is sometimes really dangerous in my opinion, even if you have 100 rage. Maybe the rage will be enough for the next WW and MS, but it often happend that I couldn't land the second MS and WW, because there wasn't enough rage (no white crit etc.). Really luck-based, and a HS does not outscale a missed MS or WW which leads to a huge dps decrease.

Missed as in not having enough rage to use it in your rotation, so you missed the opportunity to use it.

Thanks for all the comments. I'll play around with a less Slam-intensive, more fluid rotation next time we do Brutallus (probably tomorrow), but I've tinkered with adding in HS's on occasion and almost invariably I have some sort of rage starvation issue unless I get a lucky SS/WF proc.

If all goes well tomorrow, I'll pick up T6 bracers, which means I'll be able to swap out the chest (one of the weakest pieces in the set, imo) for Midnight, which I gemmed primarily towards crit (10crit, 5str/5crit, 5crit/5stam). That plus the superior crit (and probably a gem for it) on the bracers should help me out in that dept, while maintaining my ArP (losing on chest, gaining on bracers).

Cursed Vision sadly isn't an option. We've gotten 1 in like 15 kills, so still several leather wearers to snag it first. Still looking for Illidari Shatterer and Divine Ret. legs. Again, Endless Nightmare is basically impossible, we haven't seen one in months and I'm behind several people for it still.

And Crimsonstorm, you're right to an extent. I've been undervaluaing consumables and especially Execute range in looking at the overall picture. Thinking about with a clearer head about it, I've also gotten way too lazy about clipping WF/SS procs (and oh does the fact that that can happen INFURIATE me), so I'll have to be more on the ball about it.

We'll see how tomorrow turns out.

Iam reading this thread a long time now and i think i know how to go on but..

i wanna ask you, what did you think, wich DPS Numbers on Brutallus are possible with my Gear ?
The World of Warcraft Armory
(normaly i wear the bloodboil pants - with hitfood instead strength)

i thought, i know how to Play, but Pulling out 1.4/1.5k with an Enhancer/2Rog/Retri looks a littlebit small to me..
right - there is much i can tune on my gear, but damn stuff wont drop!
Here are the WWS Logs - Wow Web Stats
i know, that wipe DPS are not the same as the Kill-DPS because of the dot but it seem damn small..

im going crazy, im switching my gear every Kill -> More Crit here more ArP there.
Concentrating on my Castingbar(Docs) like an Eagle on a Rabbit.. but nothing seems to push my DPS..
I also know that stacking ArP for this Fight is the Key, but at the tryie that ive postet above, our Moonkin wasnt with us, so i cant wear all my ArP Stuff becaus of loosing the Hitcap.

Sorry for my bad English, longe time ago..

So what do you think how many DPS should be possible with my current Gear ?

Your DPS is fine for Wipes.

If you have them change gear to Leggings of Divine Retribution, Illidari Shatterer/S4 Helm(much hit on both), change Chest to S4, get Sunwell Hands, yours are verybad compared to Gloves of Immortal Dusk.

4*T6 is worth 0.75% of you DPS -> almost Worthless.

try to get Shard of Contempt, proccs often and stays for 20 sec, as human you are expertise caped with it, or almost. Hits still generate more Rage than dodges.

Be Behind the Boss, while wipe time you don't push your Parry to 1%.

On wipe Trys I had 1500-1550 DPS on kill it was 1730 DPS with Solarians. Had a Moonkin and Survival in the Raid, 2 Rogues, Ret + Enhancer in grp, 4 Drummers (incl. me, 10 Drums in 6 min, but WWS doesnt count if somebody Drums 1 Sec before it goes off). You have 3-4 Drummers, everybody should use Drums of Battle not War.

Thanks, switching to the leggings is what i intend to do, when i got enoough Hitfood
But still waiting für IllidariS. meantime ill pushing(trying to) my Arena Ratings and Point for S4 Helmet and then for the Chest.
Sure 4 T6 are absolutly uninteressting but i got nothing else atm, the Immortal Dusk gloves are at Work waiting for the Sunmotes and the Shard im already farming for when i got the more hit from S4 Helm i also could switch to AmaniWarBow and the PrimalWrath Ring.

Thanks for the input

( Oh damn normaly i dont wear s3 Gloves for PvE this is an mistake, i wear the T6 Gloves - But Immortal's are better - sure! )

1800 should be possible. Don't be disappointet of bad dps, I guess you'll have around 1600 after a kill. If you use your haste pots on cooldown, don't use the third at 30% but save it for the execute-phase. I sometimes made the misstake just using it automatically. Additional, you have to "learn" the fight (rage generation etc.). I had bad 1500 dps after my first brutallus kill and now around 2000. But that depends also on your raid-dps, if bloodlust ends with 0% etc.