I'm using [Soul Cleaver] because my only other sword at the moment is [Jin'rohk, The Great Apocalypse] which I drop the armor pen, dps, and top end. Even with the expertise and sword spec, I'm doing more dps as axe spec with soul cleaver. On gorefiend our shamans pop their heroism early on in the fight, around 90%, so I don't have it available for recklessness. I've been using my slam as priority, but I'm going to try keeping MS/WW on CD instead after reading over the posts previous to this.
Currently I'm working on getting s4 chest/helm and waiting for bloodboil to drop his legs. I feel I've gemmed my gear accordingly and spreadsheets agree, but maybe there's something else I can be doing to boost my dps more. My group makeup is me, ret pally, enhancement shaman (dropping windfury), rogue, feral druid.
One of the biggest reasons why your dps is low on that parse is the fact your guild dps is low. It took 4 mins 23 sec for you guys to kill him. Faster the boss dies the higher your dps goes. All your dmg numbers (% for each attack) seem about the same as mine were back when I used slam. As your guild can kill him faster your numbers will go up.
As far as using the Axe over the sword I'm not sure I agree with you. I was at that point in time once, where I only had Soul Cleaver/Jin'rohk as my weapons. Granted I never did hard math to prove it one way or another but I felt I did more dps with the sword instead of the Axe.
1800 should be possible. Don't be disappointet of bad dps, I guess you'll have around 1600 after a kill. If you use your haste pots on cooldown, don't use the third at 30% but save it for the execute-phase. I sometimes made the misstake just using it automatically. Additional, you have to "learn" the fight (rage generation etc.). I had bad 1500 dps after my first brutallus kill and now around 2000. But that depends also on your raid-dps, if bloodlust ends with 0% etc.
It is a huge difference if you have Bloodlust after 1:20 or at 5 Mins(20%) for your personal DPS.
With Bloodlust in Execute Phase you'll have around +100 DPS overall or more, but we have 3 Mages, who has a bigger Raid DPS boost if they can nuke the boss under 20% for full bloodlust time (3*+20% DMG > 1*+40% DMG). Maybe if we have 3 Healshaman I'll get 2 Bloodlusts.
I did about 30k Execute DMG, i've seen MS Warriors doing over 100k, ok I use MS on CD while Executing, because 2.2 Speed (Hastepotion) i can get 2 Strikes between 2 Hits.
Also is Berserkers Call very Nice Trinket at Brutallus because of CD Stacking.
One of the biggest reasons why your dps is low on that parse is the fact your guild dps is low. It took 4 mins 23 sec for you guys to kill him. Faster the boss dies the higher your dps goes. All your dmg numbers (% for each attack) seem about the same as mine were back when I used slam. As your guild can kill him faster your numbers will go up.
As far as using the Axe over the sword I'm not sure I agree with you. I was at that point in time once, where I only had Soul Cleaver/Jin'rohk as my weapons. Granted I never did hard math to prove it one way or another but I felt I did more dps with the sword instead of the Axe.
Thanks, appreciate the feedback.
The reason I like the axe better is I placed a lot lower this week on gorefiend with less dps, and I saw myself on a lot of bosses struggling harder to maintain my usual spot on damage and my dps. I'm going to tough it out till CE drops, going to kill archimonde soon and I only have the ret pally rolling against me.
Hey, I'm new to the whole 2H DPS thing - switched from Fury to BF spec for Brut.
What's the best way to get rid of a full rage bar?
I've tried heroic strike but that usually hurts more than it helps since it uses rage and costs me the rage for my next auto-attack, which more than often ends up in screwing my rotation if I don't get WF/SS proc shortly afterwards.
What's the best way to get rid of a full rage bar?
Not a very good way to approach it. Heroic strike followed by a slam and a shout refresh or hamstring/pummel is the best rage dump we have as arms above 20% boss health, assuming MS and WW are on cooldown. The idea is to not waste rage from your auto attack by sitting at 100 rage while you wait for MS/WW to come up. Don't shoot to empty your rage bar, shoot to keep yourself in a position where you're not stuck at 100 rage but still have enough rage for instants when their cooldowns are up. Windfury and sword specification will throw this off, but that's added damage already so it's worth any potentially "wasted" rage.
Keep in mind Kitaen....RNG plays a HUGE role in how u perform. I looked at your report...RNG was HUGE on your side with tons of CRIT. In addition, the quicker you complete the fight, the higher everyones DPS will appear simply because when a fight lasts less, the duration of the periods wehre you have cooldowns blown, is a bigger chunk of your dmg vs when a fight lasts longer where the gap between non cooldown periods of dmg and cooldown periods of dmg is larger. That being said, great DPS in any case, however brakin 2600 dps as u say u want to has nothing to do with you doin your rotation 100% perfect, after a certain point its all related to RNG. Btw I didnt see any sword procs were u usin a polearm?
Our last Brutallus kill I did only 1890 dps but that was with HORRIBLE RNG, since my swing crit was sitting at 20% when I have 38% raid buffed, my MS crits were like 32% My slams only 20 % crits and my whirls only 24% crits, That said if I had your rng in my kill I d be close to what u did preety much. Unfortunately u can only be that perfect in your rotation and then comes luck
To my protection though here are some nice Gorefiend deeps from last week :P Wow Web Stats
Once your rotation is close to perfect and your setup well tuned for the bossfight, it's about RNG or beeing lucky.
But i wouldn't measure the RNG "that" high, especially in a 5 minutes fight.
I'm sitting on 39% crit unbuffed almost, had a feral in my group and a retripally in the raid, so basically it was like 40% + 5% (feral) + 3% (retri) + 3% (agi totem twist) + 19 seconds of recklessness = you WILL hit the 50% crit (which i did on most attacks).
When you compare the 28% WW crit and the lower HS critrate vs the MS crit rate, it evens out - pretty close to 50-51% overall i'd say.
I actually think Gorefiend is more about RNG since it lasts only 2 minutes - anyway.. well done Kylo!
Thanks for all the comments. I'll play around with a less Slam-intensive, more fluid rotation next time we do Brutallus (probably tomorrow), but I've tinkered with adding in HS's on occasion and almost invariably I have some sort of rage starvation issue unless I get a lucky SS/WF proc.
If all goes well tomorrow, I'll pick up T6 bracers, which means I'll be able to swap out the chest (one of the weakest pieces in the set, imo) for Midnight, which I gemmed primarily towards crit (10crit, 5str/5crit, 5crit/5stam). That plus the superior crit (and probably a gem for it) on the bracers should help me out in that dept, while maintaining my ArP (losing on chest, gaining on bracers).
Cursed Vision sadly isn't an option. We've gotten 1 in like 15 kills, so still several leather wearers to snag it first. Still looking for Illidari Shatterer and Divine Ret. legs. Again, Endless Nightmare is basically impossible, we haven't seen one in months and I'm behind several people for it still.
And Crimsonstorm, you're right to an extent. I've been undervaluaing consumables and especially Execute range in looking at the overall picture. Thinking about with a clearer head about it, I've also gotten way too lazy about clipping WF/SS procs (and oh does the fact that that can happen INFURIATE me), so I'll have to be more on the ball about it.
We'll see how tomorrow turns out.
Why are you so concerned on 4 piece bonus. Like so many before me have said, are you that concerned on a 5% increased dmg ability that only accounts for 11-15% of overall damage? Keeping that 4 piece bonus should not be a priority, nor should supremus neck. I would honestly take no ones advice on gear selection and revert only to your DPS spreadsheet. You have 2/2 Imp Intercept instead of 2/3 Imp disciplines. Your ArP is high, and you'll hit the cap on most BT bosses with gurtogg legs. also if your not hitting 2.5 swing speed in execute range, I would either use quick fury weapons, or just ignore execute range. Nor would I deviate from a specific rotation, the MS warrior in my guild just HS and slams without any coordination, and his DPS sucks.
White -> Slam -> MS -> White -> Slam -> WW -> White -> Slam -> Demoralizing Shout -> Repeat
Is what I would use.
I am new to this site, well when it comes to posting messages. I have been doing some research and one of the sites I use is maxdps.com. According to them, [Shoulderpads of the Stranger] is a big upgrade for me, is better than my T5 shoulders. I am assuming is because of the expertise rating, the agility and AP im getting. My question is if is really an upgrade. I was able to get those shoulders last night and I want to try them, but before I invest some money in them, I wanted to ask here.
1440dps is definitely NOT where I want to be. As you can see, 3 drums in melee group, shaman totem twisting, usual stuff. My CD usage was Death Wish+Blood Fury+Insane Str Pot at ~0:35 (along with my Drums), Blood Fury+Haste Pot a little over 2 min later (the Insane Str Pot I used before was my last one... long night of attempts), and Death Wish+Blood Fury+Haste Pot at execute range along with Bloodlust. Recklessness, sadly, was not up for this attempt, as I had used it on the previous near kill, probably mistakenly (since, in retrospect, it was really doubtful we were going to make the enrage.)
Couple things that stand out to me from my own interpretation - the RNG seemed to hate me (I run 33% crit buffed, plus JotC makes it 36%, and based on that, my crit was WAY low for everything except normal swings). My Windfury proc rate also seems low. I think I clipped a couple, hard to remember because I'm also raid leading so my attention is in several places at once. Lack of Recklessness was obviously a factor, and makes me really question whether I should've switch to my DW execute setup (Blade of Savagery MH with Exec., Blazefury OH with Mongoose - yes I could use a better OH) or just stuck with CE, dropped Slam, and mixed in Heroics with instants.
My Armory should show the same gear/spec I had last night, so between that and the WWS above, any further commentary would be wonderful. I feel like I improved somewhat (both gearwise and overall) from my last post, but there's still work to be done.
Your Brut kill lasted 383 seconds. MS is on a 6 second CD, which should allow for 63 MS's in a perfect attempt. It looks like you pulled off 26. That's really bad.
Another excellent indicator of your issue with MS is this. You had 100 "normal" white swings. In a cookie cutter slam rotation of:
swing > slam > MS > swing > slam > WW > swing > slam > MS > swing > slam > open
the ratio of swings to MS is 2:1. Your ratio is 100:26, or 3.84:1. Now, with Cat's edge and your gear, you don't have the haste to break the normal rotation without Heroism, so I'm going to go ahead and say your dps is gimped because you aren't using MS every time it's off cooldown. It's the same problem with your WW. You should have a 4:1 WW ratio or maybe slightly higher due to heroism. You have a 100:12, or 8.3:1 ratio; again, almost double.
Hit your MS and WW buttons as soon as possible after the GCD from your slam expires. You need to go to the blasted lands and practice the slam rotation on Servant of Razelikh until Recount shows that you are at least approaching an optimal rotation. Bring a shaman LW along in your party to give you surprise heroisms and drums to spice things up.
I am new to this site, well when it comes to posting messages. I have been doing some research and one of the sites I use is maxdps.com. According to them, [Shoulderpads of the Stranger] is a big upgrade for me, is better than my T5 shoulders. I am assuming is because of the expertise rating, the agility and AP im getting. My question is if is really an upgrade. I was able to get those shoulders last night and I want to try them, but before I invest some money in them, I wanted to ask here.
I am still waiting on some advice, I would really appreciate it. Thank you in advance
Don't bump your own post. Go download a spreadsheet and plug them in. Or you can use SEP values from any posts you might be able to scrounge up. PM me and I can supply you my values (although they vary as you get different gearsets).
Why in the world would you be thunderclapping when you have a prot warrior in your raid? Stay in zerker stance!
The main tank asks me to drop a TC at the start of the fight (which is easy - bloodrage, one swing, TC, zerker stance, demo, and onto my own shit). I didn't TC any other time in any attempt except those starting ones.
As for the rest... believe me, I have done this long enough to know the Slam rotation. I've been MS since right after our first Vashj kill. Some of those missed WW/MS's were rage starvation. If I get low on rage, I prioritize Slam always (and Demo/Battle Shout, naturally), and I do occasionally have rage starvation issues in this gear.
Your percentage of damage from specials is about 50% less than other warriors who are doing acceptable levels of dps. I'm not willing to go through your combat logs with a fine tooth comb. You should be doing that yourself.
The basic idea is that you aren't effectively using your rage to generate damage. This biggest reason for this is because you are missing too many MS's. I'm not going to post anymore responses here, since your post doesn't belong in this thread in the first place. Good luck breaking 1,500 dps.
I have been here for a couple of weeks now and seen allot of people with the same problem.
Rage starvation.
wws report from our latest Burtallus kill: WWS Loading...
As you can see I am on 1566 dps which I think its low and I know I can do more. But I have problems with rage not proccing of Sword/WF so my rotation got screwed up.
I have around 37% crit buffed. I use white>slam>ms>white>slam>ww>etc and refresh shouts when ww/ms are on cooldown but give prior on slam if I don't have enough rage for MS or WW.
Group setup is mostly: Enhance shaman, 1-2 rogues, Arms warrior and Fury warrior.
As i said yesterday ingame, give your MS > Slam priority a few try's.
36% slam seems WAY too much for me when your rage starved.
Another thing i noticed while checking your WWS was your execute usage - there is absolutely nothing that can compare to a recklessness heroism / haste pot / deathwish execute phase - tell your enhancer to use heroism at ~19%, it really works out well when you'r buffed like this.
And of course you HAVE to use haste pots - 2 minimum.
Yeah thank you very much for the helping I tried it yesterday at Teron and my dps was higher then I had before on teron fights (got less rage starvation at Teron cause of the damage we get).
I always use potions at Brutallus first Death wish + Insane strength potion, then after 2 min I use a haste potion! Then again at 20% left I swap to execute weapons + recklessness + death wish + insane strength potion.
But yesterday we had some new people and we were back to *tries* again so I took it slowly
Edit: Swapping to execute weapons i done recently!
Then again at 20% left I swap to execute weapons + recklessness + death wish + insane strength potion.
A Haste Potion is going to be far more dps than Insane Strength during executes. Also, if you're getting a Bloodlust at that time there is no need to swap to two one-handers, as your two-hander is likely to be swinging nearly as fast as a GCD anyway.
So, I was messing around with gear-sets the other day, and I thought to myself, can you make a gear-set that does not rely on executioner, while still maintaining raid-worthy stats. And it seems to me that it is actually a lot easier to attain then I thought.
(Switch to berserker to have raid crit %, it has it in battle stance)
As you can see, there are slight modifications you can make, depending on your pvp capabilities, as well as socket choices, and weapon enchant. This is also based around my character being a draenei, with the passive +1%hit helping out with attaining the hit cap.
Whenever I see endgame gear choices for MS warriors, I always see the same things, stopping at 1350 armor ignore with the assumption that you need executioner, despite the fact that you're limiting your potential. Having >2000 armor ignore is like having a permanent executioner up, not relying on a proc, that is up, if I remember correctly, on the average of 15sec/min. And, the other base stats, AP/crit/hit/exp, are on par with people who stop at 1350 armor ignore, as well as maintaining the 4-piece onslaught bonus.
I cannot test this on my own, though, as I do not have the ability currently to attain some of this gear, but I would be very interested in seeing how this would work in a raid setting, from people who have access to this gear.
I also imagine you can come very close to this as well for a fury warrior, but those gear-sets, I have not played around with yet.
07/23/08, 6:39 PM
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