The hourglass is very good.
Bladefist's Breadth is ok. But your obvious upgrade choice would be the Brooch (heroic badge reward) for that one.

HoJ, I trashed a long time ago. Keep in mind that the free swing proc scales (negatively) with your level, so it is nowhere near the 2% proc it used to be. IIRC someone tested HoJ at Lvl70 and the numbers were disappointing to say the least.

This has been mentioned a couple of times in this thread, but does anyone know or speculate that haste becomes that much more important to 2H DPS wars now that the WF nerf has gone into effect? I mean, I guess what I really am getting at is would a trinket like DTS still be priority for Rogues, Fury wars and DW Enhancement shammies?

I tested this on rats and found that there was no difference between -0ac and -175ac. I basically made sure I had the same AP and punched a few hundred times.

If you check WWS parses, you'd probably find MS does around 15%-20% of your damage, typically. With the 4pc 5% bonus, you're looking at an effective .75-1% boost in your dps.

ok , so there is a limit on where ignore armor is valuable. Now is there any way to know how much armor most bosses have? any addon or anything that would help.

WoWInterface Downloads : ArmorMeter

I used this a year ago. No idea if it works now. An updated one with gear calculations as well would be pretty awesome, I agree.

Edit: or this one
TargetArmor | World of Warcraft @ Curse

After some testing done by myself and the fury warrior in my guild, it looks like most bosses are around 3k(anetheron)-4k(archimonde) effective AC during raids. "Effective" meaning after sunder/ff. So you can stack quite a bit of -ac gear without worrying about hitting a cap. The ghouls/fiends in Hyjal were averaging 15k+.

Sorry to bring back a post from waaay earlier in the thread but... Do you take shadow priests for their personal DPS? I didn't think so. Do you think shadow priests keep up VT because it's best for their personal DPS? Nay. Lots of classes do things to sacrifice personal DPS for raid DPS. Shaman drop WF totems. Locks put up CoS/CoE. Warriors spec BF now.

It's just the way things are in TBC. You didn't bring shadow priests before 2.0 because they didn't bring anything to the table except for DPS (and that only lasted a few minutes until they went OOM). Now you bring them for mana regen and mediocre DPS but the regen is far and away worth the loss in DPS.

In TBC, you bring a 2h slam/BF warrior for the debuff while sacrificing some DPS from the fury tree. This is just the way things are. Before 2.0, a fury warrior was often top DPS, and you brought them for top DPS. This is no longer the case.

Anyway, sorry to backtrack, carry on...

Slightly off-topic, but since everyone had started so nicely to ask questions about warrior 2H DPS

I can't seem to find any discussions about axe spec vs sword spec, and now I am purely talking about the specialization effects nothing else. It feels like sword spec has been changed so much since it first arrived that I am not sure what information to trust and what to discard. Are there any up to date threads about this issue ? With some actual tests. I tried searching but no luck.

More specifically, you can say I am wondering about what abilities sword spec can still proc off. From what I can figure it seems very, very close in PvE (since you got Impale in the picture) but sword spec leading for PvP (since many seem to be able to negate/almost negate Impale nowadays with the massive resillience that's out there).

Actually VT IS the best for their personal DPS and Shadow Priests don't do "mediocre" DPS if they can play and have the gear.

Sword Spec can procc of every ability it used to procc of (including Harmstring). It generates an instant extra attack that doesn't replace your next auto hit, generates rage and can miss, crit and glance.

The better your Crit gets, the better Sword Specialization gets in comparison to Axe Specialization.

Thank you, this is what I was looking for

You say miss, crit and glance. But I read in some patch notes that they have fixed (or are going to fix in next patch, I don't remember) the problem with Overpower not being available from dodged Sword Spec extra-attacks. So what you meant was that it works exactly like a normal autoattack (except for the swing timer of course) ?

So since the WF nerf, has anyone seriously tried speccing for Endless Rage? I actually don't see that as a poor option anymore.

Pure PvE: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

Edit: Actually that wouldn't be pure PvE since Enrage is in there... can drop that for Imp Cleave/Imp Execute/Unbridaled Wrath.

I'm currently using [Ethereum Nexus-Reaver] with +8str and 2x +4crit/+4str gems. Can anyone give me the math behind upgrading to either the [World Breaker] or the [Stormherald]. Also considering I'd be losing poleaxe spec by going maces. Seems like a big stat trade-off going maces.

Depends on many things like your total stats, the proc chance of the World Breaker, World Breaker post or pre patch (at the moment much worse due to lower stats and bugged procc).
Anyone knows the proc chance of the World Breaker?

Well, you can check my armory for stats. For only being 2/5 SSC 1/4 TK, I believe they're pretty good. Maybe not the exact math, but general view of the quality of upgrade [World Breaker] or [Stormherald] would be over [Ethereum Nexus-Reaver].

For pure damage, I'd go with a Bloodmoon or Lionheart Executioner. But if you want to have Mace spec, Stormherald is a pretty solid upgrade for you. World Breaker is worse for damage at the moment, probably being quite a bit better than the Nexus Reaver after the patch.
I myself used a Bloodmoon when I was MS/Flurry, was pretty great back then before the Windfury Totem nerf but I haven't used it for quite a while as I specced DW Fury with a Dragonstrike and I'm using a S2 Mace for PvP now.

You can expect a reduction in the proc rate of mace spec, probably in 2.3. Beyond that Blizzard have said nothing more than they want mace spec to be in line with other specs as right now it is more desirable for pvp to be maces. The speculation is on how to make Maces more viable in PvE since the proc rate nerf affects the rage generated since most non-trash mobs are immune to the stun anyway.

Mace spec was changed a long time back to be a sliding scale on proc rate based on weapon speed, with more rage per proc. A 3.80 speed is looking at 11% proc rate.

However now that has come back to be a bit too effective since they also made uncontrollable stuns separate from each other in terms of diminishing returns earlier this year too.

Kalgan's comment was "Yes, one of the changes is a reduction to the mace spec stun proc rate.". Source #474

The original spec changes can be read here.

Thanks. No need to go mass hysteria about Stormherald just yet then Good good.

So its been a couple of weeks, what are peoples feedbacks in terms of 2 handed in raiding situations now?

Personally i've been dropping a lot of my haste items and favouring stats and -armour items and even though i've taken a hit on my dps from the windfury nerf it seems to be picking back up the more -armour gear I get.

What are other people's experiences with this?

I was trying to find a good fight to test it on and its pretty tough with BT because most fights are multi add, or melee weakness or you have to wear 375 SR and super gimp yourself so I was comparing teron fights. Here's what I came up with

Pre Wf Nerf:

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Not a great example as I got the ghost but 1158dps this was using Torch of the Damned and Mace Spec

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A better example no ghost using Cataclysms doing 1473dps

Post WF Nerf

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The first week after the nerf and coming to terms with the rage starvation

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The following week having adjusted not a bad increase 1428dps

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Finally yesterday pulling out 1499dps this is fairly respectable for a 33/28 warrior imo, there are still a fair few items I want to get to increase my -armour but considering the 4% boost I give our fairly melee heavy raids and sustaining a decent dps myself, i'm more than happy staying 33/28 untill my turn on the warglaives come :P

Is there any reason why you dropped haste items? Because i dunno why the wf nerf would make them worse.

Well the inc haste nerf will make them worse, and atm stacking stats for crit + -armour seem to pay off much more for dmg

Quick couple questions. With [World Breaker] does the chance on hit occur over all hits, or just auto-attacks? And can the proc be consumed by attacks such as hamstring?