[All Classes] Enchants

Maliva · 08/09/07, 2:11 PM

Looked for a discussion on enchants but couldn't find one so thought I'd get a dialog going.

As a enchanter I'm curious to know what different classes prefer enchant-wise for both PVP and PVE depending on spec.

As a Healer, of course, the three differnt viable weapon options are Spellsurge, +81 Healing, +20 Spirit.

Spellsurge typically for raiding, +81 for PVP (or raiding), +20 spirit for weapon swapping when innervated using spirit based trinkets like BeB.

What about other enchants, do other healers typically prefer +stam enchants over +healing enchants for PvP? What about resist enchants? What about Regen enchants vs. pure stat enchants? There are a ton of options for different classes depending on the content (pve or pvp), and I'm curious to see what others think.

EDIT: Also curious on opinions for rep reward enchants.

tedv · 08/09/07, 2:24 PM

This sounds like a subset of, "What stats does my class prefer, given current itemization costing?" I think this is covered in part by the Working Theories of Theorycrafting, but here's a quick summary:

Tanks: Defense until cap, then Stamina. Get avoidance if you can't get stamina.
Casters: Spell hit until capped, then spell damage. Get crit if you can't get damage.
Healers: Enough stamina to survive, then mix of mana regen (m/5 or spirit, class dependant) and healing.
Melee: I'm not enough of an expert on this.

thaen · 08/09/07, 4:17 PM

Tanks: Defense until cap, then Stamina. Get avoidance if you can't get stamina.

There's an exception for cloak enchants, right? 120 armor > 12 dodge rating for increasing effective health at the high end, no?

Gman12 · 08/09/07, 11:46 PM

Cloak enchant for casters, should probably be Subtlety (2% threat reduction).
In 2.2 patch this will be a Thrallmar & Honor Hold purchasable enchant.

Xrafice · 08/09/07, 11:48 PM

I can't speak for Bears as I don't know if the +armor enchantment gets the bear form +400% modifier, but as a Warrior, I would much prefer the dodge rating, if not for higher practicality, then for the meager amount of threat generated.

Edit: If someone wouldn't mind, would someone do a numbers crunch that I might compare to? This would be in relation to Battlemaster vs. Mongoose for tanks. For where my guild and I are at right now, I don't need the avoidance or armor offered by Mongoose, so this is a question based entirely off of threat generated. Which one does more? Seems to me Battlemaster would do 450-750 threat each proc (given that all the party members are in the 30 yard range). Also, does the healing apply raid-wide or just the party you're in? And does it apply to pets? Any information regarding this would be highly appreciated.

Freyalis · 08/10/07, 12:00 AM

Speaking for Enhancement Shamans, the enchants to maximise DPS are

Head: CE Revered Enchant +36 AP +16 Hit Rating
Shoulders: Scryers Exalted +20 AP +15 Crit Rating OR Aldor Exalted +30 AP +10 Crit Rating
Back: +12 AGI (Major Agility)
Chest: +6 To all Stats
Wrist: +12 STR (Brawn)
Hands: +15 STR (Major Strength)
Legs: CobraHide/Nethercobra leg armor +40/50 AP +10/12 Crit Rating
Feet: Cats Swiftness, +6 AGI, +8% Run Speed (edit wring agi value, thanks seminarca)
Weapons: Mongoose

Rings: +4 Stats

Meddler · 08/10/07, 12:08 AM

If you don't already have a source of increased run speed there's a very strong argument to be made for Boar's speed (or Cat's) for most classes. Extra run speed's extremely valuable in both PVP and many of the more mobile PVE encounters of TBC, potentially offering quite a bit more beneft than a few points of stats.

Oh and for Bears it's +12 agi to cloak all the way. The AC enchant does not multiply (no enchants do).

Hidden · 08/10/07, 12:57 AM

Originally Posted by Freyalis

Speaking for Enhancement Shamans, the enchants to maximise DPS are

Head: CE Revered Enchant +36 AP +16 Hit Rating
Shoulders: Scryers Exalted +20 AP +15 Crit Rating OR Aldor Exalted +30 AP +10 Crit Rating
Back: +12 AGI (Major Agility)
Chest: +6 To all Stats
Wrist: +12 STR (Brawn)
Hands: +15 STR (Major Strength)
Legs: CobraHide/Nethercobra leg armor +40/50 AP +10/12 Crit Rating
Feet: Cats Swiftness, +9 AGI, +8% Run Speed
Weapons: Mongoose

Rings: +4 Stats

Are you sure that +4 Stats on Ring is better than Weapon Damage on Ring?
I don't have any calculations to back it up but I would've thought the pure Damage enchant beats the allround enchant in terms of DPS?

Fury Warrior Max DPS is pretty much the same as Shaman, maybe adding 10 Haste Rating on Hands as an option for very well geared Warriors.

Macblade · 08/10/07, 1:06 AM

The following is a good chart for rogues:

http://shadowpanther.net/enchantments.htm

seminarca · 08/10/07, 3:22 AM

Cat's Swiftness is +6 Agility, not +9

for Bears in general:

Head: KoT Revered +16 Defense +17 Dodge
Shoulders: Scryer Exalted +15 Defense +10 Dodge OR Aldor Exalted +10 Defense +15 Dodge
Back: +12 Agility
Chest: +6 to all stats (technically superior, some prefer 150 hp, or 15 resilience if they need crit reduction)
Wrist: +12 Stamina OR +12 Defense for crit reduction
Hands: +15 Agility
Legs: Clefthide/Nethercleft leg armor +30/40 Stamina +10/12 Agility
Feet: Boar's Speed +9 Stamina +8% Run Speed OR +12 Agility OR Cat's Swiftness
Weapons: 35 Agility
Rings: +4 Stats

Notes: At the pre-T4 / T4 level, it seems like a good idea to go Aldor because crit reduction is plentiful so higher dodge on shoulders is better, but as you start to upgrade out of the common items into more T4, the Scryer shoulder enchant becomes attractive with that little bit extra defense.

for Cats in general:

Head: CE Revered +36 AP +16 Hit
Shoulders: Aldor Exalted +30 AP +10 Crit OR Scryer Exalted +20 AP +15 Crit
Back: +12 Agility
Chest: +6 to all stats
Wrist: +12 Strength
Hands: +15 Agility
Legs: Cobrahide/Nethercobra leg armor +40/50 AP +10/12 Crit
Feet: +12 Agility OR Cat's Swiftness, +6 Agility +8% Run Speed
Weapons: 35 Agility
Rings: +2 Weapon damage

Notes: I've seen some incidence of Savagery, which is a mistake.

Disclaimer: these are my perceived notions of what's "best" =p

Zedd · 08/10/07, 3:41 AM

Hunters are very Easy regarding enchants.

Head: CE +ap/+hit
Back: +12agility
Chest: +6stats
bracers: +24ap
Hands: +15 agility
Legs: Cobrahide/Nethercobra
Feet: +12agility
Rings: +4stats
Scope: +28crit rating
Weapon 2handed: +35agility
Weapon 1 handed: +20agilty
Weapon 1 handed as MM hunter: +30 Int (swap to +20enchanted weapons when the mana is used, swap back with AotV)

Zurgat · 08/10/07, 5:00 AM

Enchantment - WoWWiki, the Warcraft wiki
Has a list of all available enchants as well.

FarDareisMar · 08/10/07, 5:33 AM

for Warriors:

Head: CE Revered Enchant +36 AP +16 Hit Rating
Shoulders: Scryers Exalted +20 AP +15 Crit Rating OR Aldor Exalted +30 AP +10 Crit Rating
Back: +12 AGI (Major Agility) or 2% Reduced threat (if you have issues)
Chest: +6 To all Stats
Wrist: +12 STR (Brawn)
Hands: +15 STR (Major Strength)
Legs: CobraHide/Nethercobra leg armor +40/50 AP +10/12 Crit Rating
Feet: Cats Swiftness, +6 AGI, +8% Run Speed . Surefooted (+10hit +5% snare resist) is effective for Fury
Weapons: Mainhand: Mongoose
Offhand: Potency
Rings: +4 Stats

Sadie · 08/10/07, 9:14 AM

Originally Posted by Macblade

The following is a good chart for rogues:

http://shadowpanther.net/enchantments.htm

Expressed in the same format as other classes for easier parsing:

I'm going to say this applies to just combat rogues to be safe, but there's little I can see that would change if one were mutilate or combat hemo.

Head: CE Revered +36 AP/+16 Hit Rating
Shoulders: Aldor Exalted +30 AP/+10 Crit Rating OR Scryers Exalted +20 AP/+15 Crit Rating
Back: Major Agility +12 Agi
Chest: Exceptional Stats +6 all stats
Wrist: Assault +24 AP
Hands: Superior Agility +15 Agi
Legs: Nethercobra leg armor +50 AP/+12 Crit Rating
Feet: Cat's Swiftness +6 Agi/+8% run speed; Dexterity with another source of run speed
Main hand: Mongoose
Off hand: Mongoose
Rings: Stats +4 all stats

SeanDamnit · 08/10/07, 11:53 AM

for holy priests - spellsurge on the weapon, mostly because there is already plenty of +heal available in end gameish epics