If you're not hit capped, +15 hit is the way to go on gloves. Lots cheaper too.

I don't agree with Potency on Offhand as the only choice, I'm 100% sure that with enough Hit, Haste and AP the Mongoose proc will outperform Potency on Offhand.

I used to have mp5 myself, but lately mana is a non issue in raids(JoW, shamans/shadowpriest) for me. so I go with stats.

@Cloudgatherer: +15agility is betetr than +26AP for rogue's and hunters(glove wise)

Agreed in general, though I'd take +15 strength on gloves instead.

This list above is the best choice for an all-round set.

Cloak - Spell Penetration is good against Nazan (the drake in Hellfire Ramparts), the Netherdragons in Netherstorm and Supremus, and 100% useless against everything else in TBC PvE.
Chest - If you have +150 HP on your max-HP Robe (Arena gear perhaps), then +6 stats is a nice alternative, especially for arcane mages. There is no clear "better" though and health is very valuable in the T6 zones.
Gloves - +15 hit is a bit better than +20 damage if you fight only bosses and are nowhere near your hit cap. In T5 zones, Leo/Al'ar/Void Reaver favour +hit, the other bosses favour +dmg. Hyjal favours +dmg (maybe except Archimonde), BT favours +hit but you're close to being hit capped when you get to the hard fights.

Cats are well past the stage where, point for point, agility is better for dps than strength. I forget the exact breakpoint but it's safe to say if you have > 2500 AP unbuffed, agility is the better stat.

I commented on that a few posts afterwards, and corrected him.

@Zed, I totally agree with you. If the raid makes the hunter group up properly, the 6mp/5 to chest is pretty subpar. Going +6 stats would be the better option. If for some reason, they don't SoW and SPriest you, then 6mp/5 would be the better choice. It's totally dependent on your raid make up.

In the crazy musings category, has anyone experimented with the idea of Spellsurge for Hunters? Obviously this would only be viable if hunter spells can proc Spellsurge, but given the fast rate at which hunters cast their shots and abilities and the tendency to group BM hunters with casters, it seems like this could be something worth doing. Or not, as I said this is just crazy musings.

If it does work, Spellsurge is still limited to its internal cooldown of about 50 seconds. Going by that, I'd still say its best to have +agi on the weapons over spellsurge.

I feel like I must be missing something huge here because this makes no sense to me. If the +dmg enchant is a fixed addition to the average damage of a given weapon wouldn't increasing weapon speed via haste make the value of this enchant go up? Damage per second is damage over time, with a fixed value of +2 for damage and time getting smaller it seems like DPS would have no place to go up up has haste begins to stack. Or did you mean that the AP from strength and crit from agility scale better with haste than weapon damage?

Ah yes, that sentence is worded a little strangely. What i was referring too was that as weapon speed increases numerically eg. from 2.6 to 2.8 you get less bonus from +wpn dmg. However you are quite right in saying that the enchant scales well with haste effects. Only thing is that AP will always use the base speed for the weapon to add its damage.

The average burst-hasted speed (eg, DST, mongoose + flurry) for a well geared Enh Shaman weilding 2.6 speed weapons hovers around 1.5. Lets recalculate based on that.

+2 wpn dmg = 2 / 1.5 = 1.33 DPS = ~18.66 AP

+4 Stats = 15.2 AEP = ~1.09 DPS
However its multiplied by base weapon speed of 2.6
2.6*1.09 = +2.82 weapon damage per hit.
This swinging at 1.5 speed is.

2.82 / 1.5 = 1.88 DPS = ~26.34 AP when accounting for Haste (and 29.12 AP when accounting for blessing of kings).

So you see stats still wins out on a hasted weapon. It should be noted that the gap is smaller for warriors who have normalized yellow attacks. However even in that case I would say that the +4 stam at least makes up for it.

I didn't touch on this before, because I figured someone else who had a bit more knowledge on the +hit stuff for dps casters would comment.. and I was right. It also really depends on your raid make up. If you have druids tossing up Fairie Fire, that's what.. 3% less hit you have to stack? In the end, its just a push. There are so many variables that are required to figure out before you can figure out "the best" enchant for your item. Take a good look at your raid make up, who's in your party, how many of each class shows up consistantly, what debuffs are up, etc.

Improved Faerie Fire only applies to physical attacks, not magical. To my knowledge, the only +spell hit buff is the draenei racial Inspiring Presence, which gives 1% spell hit to the draenei's group, and shaman's Totem of Wrath.

Just a little question!
What do you think would be better for a Fury Warrior:
15 Strength on Gloves or 10 Haste Rating?
10 Haste Rating would be 1% Haste, increasing my MH Speed to 2,673 an my OH to 1,485!
Any suggestions?

Greetz

it depends on your gear.

so much the better your gear is, 10 haste rating is preferable

15 str = 36ap (with improved berserk stance and sdk)


PS: i think with mh/bt gear it gets more interesting
your white dps would decrease about 1,69 dps, with your courrent gear unbuffed.

I think i'll wait for the Merc Brestplate this week and for a nice ranged Slot with AP and hit before testing it! Atumen Bow + Merc Brestplate would grant me 66 AP w/o any modifiers!

Greetings