That would explain why I was so threat capped on Tidewalker. I wasn't able to do anything besides Autoattack, Harmstring and a Bloodthirst every now and then.

Seems like this single change modfies multiple balance aspects in one fell swoop:
1) Melee vs. Caster DPS
2) 2H Warrior DPS vs. Fury Warrior DPS
3) Prot Tanks vs. Druid/Paladin (?) tanks

I wonder if all these effects are intended. Number 1 and 2 are probably intended and reasonable (?), but what about number 3? Is it part of a push to make Prot Warriors less required?

This is a completely valid point.

I think your numbers are off somewhat: pre nerf I claimed 30% increase in total damage (no theorycraft, just real world observations). Post nerf, a very simple calculation would be 1/3 of that benefit as the dps cycle of: auto, slam, instant has only 1/3rd white damage. The change in rage limitations will decrease it further.

The issues is not that Windfury totem needed nerfing, you're right the buff was always way too big, it is that classes have been balanced around having this huge buff. Now that it's taken away, all classes(spec's) that rely on it need to be rebalanced.

I am completely baffled by Bliz's decision to implement this change, without putting in _something_ to counter the huge dps hit.

200 tps for 1 extra attack every 10 seconds (estimation assuming misses, parries, dodges, lag)?
That's 2000 threat for 1 proc and the half-Heroic Strike you will gain with the rage if you're not getting hit strong enough already.
I don't think so.

A two piece feral druid already destroys my aggro at around 1800 TPS. So I'm not sure this isn't just a slap in the face for us.

Man, i feel like quitting this game, i'm not even that usefull anymore for any melee group, i worked so hard to get this gear, and then some turd just decides to 'hotfix' windfury totem, lol.

Melee should do more dps, they require more healing, strategy adjustment, gear, and support classes.

arms warriors REQUIRE windfury, thats their crutch.

I suppose this will also affect Stormstrike?
I believe it was a yellow instant. Been a while since I paid attention to it though.

I believe this change only affects the Windfury Totem, not Windfury Weapon.

One extra attack is 250 damage. An extra Heroic Strike is up to 176 damage (say 150) and 196 threat. I have 15 % crit, so that's an average of 951 threat per 10 seconds already.
However this is really a "worst case" scenario in a sense since it assumes that I already have sufficient rage to do my normal attacks (Shield Slam, Revenge and Devastate spam) consistently. This is not always the case when you do not have Windfury going off regularly. Even on mobs that hit reasonably hard like Morogrim or Teron, you sometimes go through periods of 10+ seconds where you have no rage income at all. It doesn't matter that these mobs then hit you to 100 rage which you have no method to dump for half a minute, whenever you go through a period of dodges/parries, you get rage starvation, since you are forced to keep shield block up all the time (not optional).
In the meanwhile druids not only do at least twice our dps while tanking, but their threat output gets close to 2 k without too much effort like has already been said. They can always go all out with their rage too since they do not have to plan shield blocks.

Now I'm fine with this, it's good to see that druids are able to hold aggro and do some damage. What is not fine is that the protection warrior again gets taken in the behind because of some silly pvp argumentation, and that my threat output - which was already on the edge of being sufficient - gets a blow of almost 10 %.

This shouldn't be that big a deal for ret paladin DPS. They only have one instant attack that can proc WF anyway, and that's on a 10-second cooldown.

The change is very easy to notice. You have periods of time where you are waiting from one auto attack to the next with really not enough rage to do anything. I'm really curious to hear from Fury warriors about this because I may be switching over to a fury raid spec after tonight.

Did seal of command procs used to proc windfury?

I have only managed to do instances with a shaman so far, but myself i notice alot of procs considering Fury is more White/HS damage then a MS build is

Seal of Command could not proc windfury.

Judgement could proc many other procs, but not Windfury.

Crusader strike could not proc windfury (Really. I tested it repeatedly. Cstrike was apparently tagged specially not to proc attacks.)

Windfury swings could proc Command swings and Blood attacks, however, and those command/blood attacks would benefit from the +AP of the windfury swing that procced them. This will likely still happen.

This change changes absolutely nothing for Ret paladins. There is no negative or positive effect related to this change.

Of course this change affects Arms builds far more than Fury ones, but still it is totally unnecessary as overall damage output of Warriors in PvE isn't overpowered, not a chance. Now, PvE DpS warriors will have to struggle even more to get a raid spot and actually play the game at all...

And don't talk me about PvP, please. The really overpowered thing about Warriors at the moment is Mace Spec, that should be nerfed heavily, not Windfury Totem or Blessing of Freedom. A real shame.

My guild isnt in BT, but as fury i dont have to much issue being 1-2 spots behind the rogues.
Thats without a enh shaman, whcih warriors benefit from more then rogues

I'm not going to comment on 1 & 2, but where did you get the idea that prot warriors have the best threat gen?

I have always been under the impression from our warriors and druds that a druids pros are threat gen vs no fear breaking ability and shield block.

I know our ferals generate way more threat when MT'ing a mob than our Warriors do and thats not to say our warriors aren't already really good on threat.

I mean no offense but your post is incredibly hard to read.

On the whole I agree that the WF nerf was inevitable. It was leagues and beyond every other buff in the game. However, they should have at least discussed this with the players and not rushed it out like it was some game-breaking bug.

Can anyone tell me if flame + GoA will be better than nerfed WF with typical melee group (feral druid, dps war, ench shamm, x2 sword rogue)?

I hope they buff melee sustained DPS somehow because they seem to favor ranged casters in raids more and more which I quite don't understand? Yes this is probably arena "fix" but this is PvE game and melee DPS situation does not seem happy at all.

I wouldn't say this game favours casters, quite the opposite really, the caster/healer side of the game is in my opinion alot easier (melee associated issues) but melee DPs ahs been alot higher than caster DPS for pretty much as long as i remember. Obviously there are some fights which aren't ideal for melee, but they are in the minority.

As for FT/GoA, I'm not certain what it adds per swing, but I would assume poison would be better than FT, and I think WF will still be better than both of those.

I think a hotfix was bad because this has many, many consequences and they idea that their testers decided the change was perfectly balanced and required no further tweaks is a little disingenuous to me. That said, give me a break. You're talking about a flat out nerf compared to a cosmetic change. No, they're not going to hotfix a cosmetic change. Yes, they will hotfix a nerf if they think the problem is affecting the game too much.