Warrior = When to replace Dragonstrike?

madrussian · 08/11/07, 4:38 PM

Hey guys, first of all if this post is in the wrong section I sincerely apologize.

My Armory

I am currently using [Dragonstrike], and my basic stats are:
1954AP
30.01 crit
239 hit rating

What I was wondering is, at what point will BT/Hyjal weapons replace this mace? (not counting Illidan's legendaries)

The options are:
[Rising Tide]
[Syphon of the Nathrezim]
[Blade of Infamy]

Out of those 3, seems like the Syphon would be the most fitting competitor to Dragonstrike.
Is the higher top end+lifedrain effect worth sacrificing the 212 haste rating?

Thanks for the input.

Enkidu · 08/11/07, 5:09 PM

This weapon scales very well with hit rating spamstring and further haste procs/stats, you can easily push it over 1.3 PPM. If you have Dragonspine Trophy then the answer is really simple, all of the above would be a pretty direct downgrade.

Even if you don't, none of the above weapons are a clear cut upgrade - this weapon averages out to a bit over 45 haste rating (though, quite streaky) and is worth a good amount more if you have other proc effects/haste/high hit. The logic of haste procs is what makes them so powerful when combined; hits begets haste begets hits begets more haste (cooldown free procs, of course).

While your post is in the correct forum there are already threads you could (and should) discuss this in - Future of a DPS Warrior and DPS Warrior spreadsheet.

Hozz · 08/11/07, 5:09 PM

I am in a similar situation, with similar gear.

I do not think I will replace Dragonstrike with any of those, or with anything any time soon. I would loot the Syphon and test it out, but so far it has not been rotting for us.

Emeraude · 08/11/07, 5:14 PM

Probably when you get Illidan's Warglaives.

Graul · 08/11/07, 5:26 PM

I've been considering switching from the T3 Axe to the mace, but I'm just not sure it would really be an upgrade at all, especially with the racial bonus to axes on bosses paired with the weapons natural AP and crit rating. 1.3 PPM on the mace makes the haste come out to around 4% passive over time. So that's 4% haste vs 1% crit, 48 AP and whatever the hit and crit bonus +5 axe skill would give regularly as well as on bosses.

Then again, haste is the stat, especially now with the change to Windfury Totem.

Davia · 08/11/07, 6:50 PM

Originally Posted by Emeraude

Probably when you get Illidan's Warglaives.

Agree.

Playered · 08/11/07, 6:59 PM

Would a DPS warrior be able to 'control' themselves with both of the Warglaives by the way? I dont know if our rogues would be able to handle them when we finally get there/if they drop... and with warriors nutorious agro generation...

koaschten · 08/11/07, 7:39 PM

my 2 cent on Warglaives on Warriors... they will die like flies due to threat issues.

Lumi · 08/11/07, 7:48 PM

But its always fun to watch them die in a DPS explosion of chain crits, windfuries and hamstrings.

Emeraude · 08/11/07, 7:56 PM

Originally Posted by Lumi

But its always fun to watch them die in a DPS explosion of chain crits, windfuries and hamstrings.

Not anymore, no more hamstring windfury explosions.

• frmorrison · 08/11/07, 8:23 PM

Only legendaries can replace that Mace, melee haste + armor pen item = really good scaling, plus 19 stamina is always handy to have.

Graul · 08/11/07, 9:57 PM

Originally Posted by Playered

Would a DPS warrior be able to 'control' themselves with both of the Warglaives by the way? I dont know if our rogues would be able to handle them when we finally get there/if they drop... and with warriors nutorious agro generation...

It would be a simple issue of never using Heroic Strike and possibly never hamstring either if the DPS on them is that high. More overall (white) damage and less threat is always good. A Rogue might be able to put them to maximum use though.

david0925 · 08/11/07, 10:11 PM

Only the Warglaives of Azzinoth will replace Dragonstrike because of the way Haste is interacting with procs right now, so you probably saved yourself quite some dkp (assuming you use dkp)

colt75 · 08/12/07, 1:18 AM

would it be the same deal with wicked edge of the planes, cos the rising tide is extremely close match to it.

• frmorrison · 08/12/07, 3:23 PM

Originally Posted by colt75

would it be the same deal with wicked edge of the planes, cos the rising tide is extremely close match to it.

It is likely just about even, with Wicked slightly higher, even though it has less dps it has 0.1 slower and higher top-end damage.

However Rising Tide can go into the off-hand, Wicked cannot.