madrussian

Hey guys, first of all if this post is in the wrong section I sincerely apologize.

My Armory

I am currently using [Dragonstrike], and my basic stats are:
1954AP
30.01 crit
239 hit rating

What I was wondering is, at what point will BT/Hyjal weapons replace this mace? (not counting Illidan's legendaries)

The options are:
[Rising Tide]
[Syphon of the Nathrezim]
[Blade of Infamy]

Out of those 3, seems like the Syphon would be the most fitting competitor to Dragonstrike.
Is the higher top end+lifedrain effect worth sacrificing the 212 haste rating?

Thanks for the input.

 

Enkidu

This weapon scales very well with hit rating spamstring and further haste procs/stats, you can easily push it over 1.3 PPM. If you have Dragonspine Trophy then the answer is really simple, all of the above would be a pretty direct downgrade.

Even if you don't, none of the above weapons are a clear cut upgrade - this weapon averages out to a bit over 45 haste rating (though, quite streaky) and is worth a good amount more if you have other proc effects/haste/high hit. The logic of haste procs is what makes them so powerful when combined; hits begets haste begets hits begets more haste (cooldown free procs, of course).

While your post is in the correct forum there are already threads you could (and should) discuss this in - Future of a DPS Warrior and DPS Warrior spreadsheet.

 

Hozz

I am in a similar situation, with similar gear.

I do not think I will replace Dragonstrike with any of those, or with anything any time soon. I would loot the Syphon and test it out, but so far it has not been rotting for us.

 

Emeraude

Probably when you get Illidan's Warglaives.

 

Graul

I've been considering switching from the T3 Axe to the mace, but I'm just not sure it would really be an upgrade at all, especially with the racial bonus to axes on bosses paired with the weapons natural AP and crit rating. 1.3 PPM on the mace makes the haste come out to around 4% passive over time. So that's 4% haste vs 1% crit, 48 AP and whatever the hit and crit bonus +5 axe skill would give regularly as well as on bosses.

Then again, haste is the stat, especially now with the change to Windfury Totem.

 

Davia

Agree.

 

• Playered

Would a DPS warrior be able to 'control' themselves with both of the Warglaives by the way? I dont know if our rogues would be able to handle them when we finally get there/if they drop... and with warriors nutorious agro generation...

 

• koaschten

my 2 cent on Warglaives on Warriors... they will die like flies due to threat issues.

 

Lumi

But its always fun to watch them die in a DPS explosion of chain crits, windfuries and hamstrings.

 

Emeraude

Not anymore, no more hamstring windfury explosions.

 

• frmorrison

Only legendaries can replace that Mace, melee haste + armor pen item = really good scaling, plus 19 stamina is always handy to have.

 

Graul

It would be a simple issue of never using Heroic Strike and possibly never hamstring either if the DPS on them is that high. More overall (white) damage and less threat is always good. A Rogue might be able to put them to maximum use though.

 

david0925

Only the Warglaives of Azzinoth will replace Dragonstrike because of the way Haste is interacting with procs right now, so you probably saved yourself quite some dkp (assuming you use dkp)

 

colt75

would it be the same deal with wicked edge of the planes, cos the rising tide is extremely close match to it.

 

• frmorrison

It is likely just about even, with Wicked slightly higher, even though it has less dps it has 0.1 slower and higher top-end damage.

However Rising Tide can go into the off-hand, Wicked cannot.

 

Gasmask

This number will be different in practice. 1.3PPM is derived from autoattacks. With windfury and instants on GCD, figure the uptime will equate to closer to 10%.

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Ethikal

If you have played an a private server you will see people with warglaives. And they are VERY nice. The proc rate for the haste bonus is very high. If you have the right gear. You can be attacking at close to half a seconds hits. Its ridiculous. There is no way a warrior could stay alive in a raid. He would pull aggro with white hits.

 

dr_AllCOM3

Only BOTH Illidan weapons are better than Dragonstrike. It has at least 50 hasterating and haste is very good.

 

Camora

Is teh proc really that powerful? It seems like Blizzard would have noticed if the best melee weapons in the game were almost unusable by half of the people capable of wielding them.

 

Amorpheus

As others have noted, the weapons themselves are on "epic" item budget for that level. So logically what makes them legendary is the set bonus(es).

If Prism Of Inner Calm were practically a requirement for any Warrior wielding them it would be ridiculous, but it might be possible depending on one's MT. I do think rogues would be more suited, but once you've downed Illidan, it doesn't matter that badly.

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