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Old 09/10/07, 6:17 PM   #16
Rampage
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Tauren Druid
 
Drak'Tharon
Not to sound like a complete idiot but one of the hardest concepts I struggle with is visualizing what values I would assign to stat and in what situations. Any idea where to start when it comest to deciding on these values?

Other then a few missing loots and fact I don't think many people will be able to use this site effectively I think it is pretty awesome.

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Old 09/10/07, 6:43 PM   #17
giansm
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Originally Posted by Praetorian View Post
This is more or less how I'd value things as a resto shaman, and it yields a ranking for every slot that also matches my perceived ideal items for those slots.
Hmm... do you really try to max out on 4mp5 gems like lootzor tells you to, rather than using red or purple gems?

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Old 09/10/07, 6:53 PM   #18
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Originally Posted by giansm View Post
Hmm... do you really try to max out on 4mp5 gems like lootzor tells you to, rather than using red or purple gems?
Well, let's be honest here. 4mp5 gems certainly aren't bad. Personally from a resto druid standpoint I'd rather run with +9healing +2mp5, especially as they're just blue gems, but if I turned up one day with +4mp5 gems by accident I don't honestly think I'd even notice the difference really.

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Old 09/10/07, 7:07 PM   #19
Jayde
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From a Priest perspective I posted a bit about this in this thread a couple weeks ago. I ended up with the following weightings:

lootzor.com - World of Warcraft search and rate items - profile your wow character

Could possibly use some minor tweaking, as the value of Mp5 really depends on many factors, but I've found the list to become rather comfortable at this point. Mp5 could potentially be valued a bit higher, depending on what kinds of heals one uses regularly. (3.6 instead of 3.2 with my current method, although one could possibly argue higher depending on which calculation method they use.)

Last edited by Jayde : 09/10/07 at 7:23 PM.

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Old 09/10/07, 7:47 PM   #20
Micah
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Originally Posted by Farstrider View Post
One thing I would say, and it's probably obvious, is that just putting reasonable numbers in those slots requires a certain amount of class awareness. Maybe with a little bit of research you could set up some "template weightings" for most of the common specs/classes. It wouldn't be perfect but it would allow the "casual" to get a bit more out of the tool.
I agree with this sentiment 100%. I have a warrior that recently hit 70 and was trying to use this to find some upgrades but really didn't know where to start beyond making stamina & defence higher than the other stats. I could have visited the warrior theorycraft threads but for the quick and casual, some standard template values would be nice.

Besides that, Allakhazam.com: World of Warcraft: Item: Destruction Holo-gogs would only show up when I selected "Middle Raid" even though it only requires heroics to get. Perhaps an option to pick your proffession and filter BoP crafted items from the list? (ie, I dont care about tailoring BoP items since I am not a tailor)

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Old 09/10/07, 8:24 PM   #21
Tacitus
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Nifty little tool, just putting in some VERY rough values got me some good (and some weird) suggestions. A bit on the weird suggestions (ignoring the ones caused by rough values): I specified middle raid content and it suggested T6 for every slot it could go in. Oh, and [Icon of the Silver Crescent] seems to come from PVP, news to me.

I'll need to play around with it a litte bit more after sleeping and digging through the 'lock thread.

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Old 09/10/07, 8:32 PM   #22
Aramul
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Human Paladin
 
Lightbringer
I used this site for a while, but bugs and lack of updates have driven me away.

Originally Posted by Praetorian View Post
Edit: Oh, also, it seems to be missing the t6 resto chest/legs for some reason.
Oddly enough, Lootzor is missing the healing on any item that has ~117-119 +heal on it. This is dropping the item rankings down to far under your top 5. This is specifically the bug that caused me to stop using Lootzor.

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Old 09/10/07, 9:39 PM   #23
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lootzor.com - World of Warcraft search and rate items - profile your wow character
Umm wow....not sure if i did something wrong or not, but those choices for a lock are kinda amazing.

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Old 09/10/07, 10:06 PM   #24
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Originally Posted by Suggestive View Post
lootzor.com - World of Warcraft search and rate items - profile your wow character
Umm wow....not sure if i did something wrong or not, but those choices for a lock are kinda amazing.
You put your actual stats in the seach fields, rather then how much you value them.

Cool tool, would be nice if you could set a cap on certain stats, +hit/+def for example.

Last edited by Keros : 09/10/07 at 10:12 PM.

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Old 09/10/07, 11:29 PM   #25
Olon97
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Interesting exercise trying to massage it to use sockets in an interesting way. If I nudge stamina any higher than it is now, it goes to solid stars of elune everywhere (not that that's a horrible way to go).

Lootzor: Threat/DPS/agility emphasis for bear offtank.

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Old 09/10/07, 11:59 PM   #26
Ren
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Here's how I'd gear for the Sunwell -
lootzor.com - World of Warcraft search and rate items - profile your wow character

Lootzor doesn't show [Royal Gauntlets of Silvermoon] for some reason. I would prefer those over [Onslaught Handguards] or [Gauntlets of Enforcement].

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Old 09/11/07, 12:19 AM   #27
 frmorrison
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Here is my lootzor for my current 21/40 shadow spec:

lootzor.com - World of Warcraft search and rate items - profile your wow character


Trinkets modeling is mostly worthless and of course haste/armor pen do not show up.

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Old 09/11/07, 8:58 AM   #28
anathor
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I used some back of the envelope ratings for feral druid dps (1 str = 1 agi = 0.8 crit = 0.7 hit = 0.42 AP, and I know hit is too high) and the results were quite good. I liked the fact that I could quickly change some ratings and see how it would impact the rankings - this is in particular very useful for capped stats such as +hit in my example, which can go from a high value to 0 depending on other gear.

I also liked the idea that I can assign low but meaningful value to desirable stats (e.g. sta in dps gear) so that these stats would provide the edge between 2 comparable items in terms of dps (in which case the deciding factor is indeed for me the higher sta). For example with pure dps weights I correctly get Haramad's Bargain as one of the best dps options for a cat, but with a little something in stamina then Mithril Chain of Heroism is correctly ranked slightly above - this kind of dynamic rankings are very nice.

A few comments:
- if items drop in 2 different locations, they appear twice in the list, which is not practical (e.g. Skulker's Greaves)
- the items with unknown provenance appear only in the middle raid list, even when they are t4 or pvp items that can easily be accessed at low raid level
- no support for weapon skill
- feral AP not taken into account, which means Stormherald (42 agi and str) and Terestian's staff (37 agi, 38 str) are roughly on par when the second one provides... +671 FAP. That's not what I'd call negligible for a druid
- no way to tell the application to disregard BoP crafts or to explicitly say which professions should be considered for such crafts (for e.g. I'd like to add Alchemy to see how the Alchemist's Stone ranks, but to exlucde all BoP LW items since I'm not LW)
- as usual trinkets (and pretty much any item with on use/on hit effects) are hard to rank but that's always the case

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Old 09/11/07, 11:29 AM   #29
Anddacin
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Draenor
For my priest, I use:
lootzor.com - World of Warcraft search and rate items - profile your wow character

With these weights:

22.23 Red
19.76 Blue
16.06 Yellow
32.12 Meta
4.82 Mp5
1.23 Healing
1.99 Spirit
1.23 Intellect
0.07 Mana
0.45 Stamina
0.04 Health

(Taken from my Pawn, hence the weights for stats not included in lootzor)

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Old 09/11/07, 11:42 AM   #30
Malan
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The forums over at Lootzor have been dead for a couple months, does anyone know if whoever created it is still doing any updates to it? It seems to miss a lot of items from its database somehow, and hasn't been updated for Haste and -Armor effects.

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