[Tanking] Attempting to Reach 100% Avoidance - Page 3

Zure · 09/24/07, 10:18 AM

Druid Two piece dungeon set is 35 dodge rating while rejuv is up.

If suffering works on boss level mobs, then you could have a warlock chain summon voidwalkers and continually re-apply it for a further 10% hit reduction.

Multane · 09/24/07, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by songster

Why do you need the hunter and druid? Even a warrior on his/her own will do the damage eventually, and if you're 100% immune, why risk it? :-)

That said, *are* there any melee-only bosses in the current endgame?

Only ones i can think of atm are Attumen the Huntsman and Big Bad Wolf (Opera).

Might be nice to have a physical immune tank on Karatess though. Some of our attempts are still foiled by the Tidalvess tank getting a gib from WF

Nezralix · 09/24/07, 10:58 AM

If anyone actually managed to successfully trivialize difficult bosses by doing this, then you can bet Blizzard would put a cap on avoidance, or a guaranteed minimum chance to be hit.

Xerophyte · 09/24/07, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by Multane

Might be nice to have a physical immune tank on Karatess though. Some of our attempts are still foiled by the Tidalvess tank getting a gib from WF

Doing things like Vashj phase 2 & 3 without dps touching the Elites could be an amusing experiment as well. 'course, in order to get this set you need to clear every encounter in the game so usefulness on current fights is very academic. There likely will be encounters in Sunwell Plateu where stacking avoidance to absurdity will be handy for offtanking situations so it's good to keep track of the items wanted for it if you're far enough along in progress to be able to.

Edit:

Originally Posted by Nezralix

If anyone actually managed to successfully trivialize difficult bosses by doing this, then you can bet Blizzard would put a cap on avoidance, or a guaranteed minimum chance to be hit.

To be honest I'm amazed that they haven't implemented a linearisation in effectivity, like the one for armour, with avoidance and resistance long ago. Faster-than-exponential returns on investments at the high end makes balancing their cost compared to the wimpy linear increases from armour and health an impossible task.

bludwork · 09/24/07, 12:18 PM

why do people assume the only damage tanks take is only physical? You can easily build a full rage bar with the extra crap raid bosses throw at you

tristantio · 09/24/07, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by bludwork

why do people assume the only damage tanks take is only physical? You can easily build a full rage bar with the extra crap raid bosses throw at you

It wouldn't be enough rage to hold an appreciable amount of threat over the DPS though.

Lord BEEF · 09/24/07, 1:33 PM

I would think a druid might have an easier time getting to 100% avoidance with the huge returns on agility but I haven't run the numbers

Nite_Moogle · 09/24/07, 1:59 PM

Originally Posted by Lord BEEF

I would think a druid might have an easier time getting to 100% avoidance with the huge returns on agility but I haven't run the numbers

Boevis tried this a couple of months ago with straight +agility gear and got stuck in the low 90s, I think.

zirky · 09/24/07, 3:40 PM

100% avoidance would yield a tank that could easily single tank Gurtogg with only minor healing needed.

Nork · 09/24/07, 4:28 PM

A 100% avoidance tank could theoretically solo Gruul. However, there are a couple of important numbers to point out:
- After the first fifteen minutes, cave-ins would do enough damage to one-shot the tank.
- Assuming 500 dps, it would take just under two hours to finish him off.

I'm not sure how much time passes between cave-ins, but I'd be very impressed by the tank who can dodge them perfectly for over 100 minutes.

Dollar · 09/24/07, 4:49 PM

Originally Posted by Nork

A 100% avoidance tank could theoretically solo Gruul. However, there are a couple of important numbers to point out:
- After the first fifteen minutes, cave-ins would do enough damage to one-shot the tank.
- Assuming 500 dps, it would take just under two hours to finish him off.

I'm not sure how much time passes between cave-ins, but I'd be very impressed by the tank who can dodge them perfectly for over 100 minutes.

You would actually 3 man it because of the need for scorpid sting and insect swarm in the calculations.

Multane · 09/24/07, 7:07 PM

Originally Posted by Xerophyte

Doing things like Vashj phase 2 & 3 without dps touching the Elites could be an amusing experiment as well. 'course, in order to get this set you need to clear every encounter in the game so usefulness on current fights is very academic. There likely will be encounters in Sunwell Plateu where stacking avoidance to absurdity will be handy for offtanking situations so it's good to keep track of the items wanted for it if you're far enough along in progress to be able to.

...snip....

I just came from a night of Vashj tries, and yeh, that would be nice. Would save up loads of DPS we can use on the striders. Striders kept nailing us.

Anyways, sry for the offtopic.

Yakout · 09/24/07, 8:32 PM

Originally Posted by SeanDamnit

I took out Elixir of Mastery as it wouldn't stack with the Elixir of Major Agility [...] I added in the Scroll of Agility V

I'm pretty sure (though not 100%) that a Scroll of Agility won't stack with an Elixir of Major Agility. I know with utter certainty this is the case for Strength Scrolls and Elixirs.

• Aldriana · 09/24/07, 8:40 PM

Scrolls were made to stack with elixirs as part of the patch that limited elixirs to one offensive and one defensive, as far as I know. So I'm pretty sure stacking the scroll with the potion is valid.

BoinKlasik · 09/24/07, 9:13 PM

It is a pity that Blizz changed raid boss killing buffs to not work past level 63 (I think) because then you could kill hakkar and get another 50 agility.