[RAID] Boss armor values - Page 7

Borodin · 11/13/07, 9:19 PM

Originally Posted by Sarlunas

Of course you can.

sunders+CoR+FF+executioner+T6+neck+SB+rings+WSC+madness=7487

A fair bit higher than 6200, even without executioner it's already very doable. As for if it actually gives any benefit beyond 0 I'm not aware of any testing on this but I would tend to doubt it.

Crikey, did not think there was so much ArP available. Interesting

maelstrom808 · 11/21/07, 4:46 AM

Of course you can.

sunders+CoR+FF+executioner+T6+neck+SB+rings+WSC+madness=7487

A fair bit higher than 6200, even without executioner it's already very doable. As for if it actually gives any benefit beyond 0 I'm not aware of any testing on this but I would tend to doubt it.

I guess my question (and I ask because I have no idea) is has it been confirmed that all of the "chance on hit" procs will stack with each other.

koaschten · 11/21/07, 6:59 AM

The only exception will be dual Executioner, which will only refresh itself and not have 2 procs up.

Kreallana · 12/11/07, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Swiftwind

dmg reduction % = 100*(armor)/(armor-22167,5 +467,5*lvl)
dmg reduction % when the attacker is lvl 70 = 100*(armor)/(armor-22167+467,5*70)=
= 100*(armor)/(armor + 10558)

if that's what you mean

Isn't that when you are going against a lvl 70 mob?

I thought it was (armor/(armor+10558))*100 for lvl 70 mobs and for lvl 73 it would be (armor/(armor+11960))*100

Could someone clarify for me, please?

Nite_Moogle · 12/11/07, 12:18 PM

11960 is the correct number when dealing with Boss NPCs.

Kreallana · 12/11/07, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by Nite_Moogle

11960 is the correct number when dealing with Boss NPCs.

Thank you very much.

Sarlunas · 12/11/07, 2:51 PM

From wowwiki:

The 11960 and 10557.5 numbers in the denominator are often confused. The constant is based on the attackers level not the target's level. Use 10557.5 for your attacks (outgoing) and 11960 for damage received.

saedo · 12/27/07, 2:17 PM

I'm curious if there's been any testing on ZA bosses.

Quigon · 12/27/07, 2:48 PM

For moogle and kreallana...

Armor is based on who is doing the hitting.

If you are hitting a boss, you are a level 70.

If the boss is hitting you, boss is level 73.

Also there is a blue post that is well summarized by a post by kalgan in my protection warrior thread. You can search for kalgan in the OP of that thread to see precise values for armor reduction already worked out. This thread has a nice summary of that - but the value of armor penetration is fairly straightforward.

Muphrid · 12/27/07, 3:58 PM

Originally Posted by Quigon

For moogle and kreallana...

Armor is based on who the individual is hitting. It does not matter if it is the boss swinging or a player swinging.

If you are hitting a boss, you are hitting a level 73.

If the boss is hitting you, the boss is hitting a level 70.

Also there is a blue post that is well summarized by a post by kalgan in my protection warrior thread. You can search for kalgan in the OP of that thread to see precise values for armor reduction already worked out. This thread has a nice summary of that - but the value of armor penetration is fairly straightforward.

With respect, that's not what the character sheet implies, nor does it make a lot of sense. It makes more sense if the damage reduction is based on attacker's level and target's armor. The character sheet is very specific: it states damage reduction from a specific level attacker, whereas such wording would not be necessary if the damage reduction were the same regardless of attacker level.

Uglesh · 12/27/07, 4:39 PM

It makes perfect sense.

When ANYTHING is attacking me, (in terms of damage reduction)what should matter is MY level and MY armour. The damage that THEY do is modified by THEIR attack power and other buffs and has NOTHING to do with their targets armour.
It would be totally unreasonable to have this somehow modified by the level of what's attacking me. From a PvP perspective this would REALLY be apparent.
With 10,000 Armor at level 60 you would have DR of 63%. In your world, a level 70 would not only have superior damage and gear, but would also have the advantage of reducing that DR to 48.6%. Imagine being that level 51 in AV??

Muphrid · 12/27/07, 4:53 PM

Originally Posted by Uglesh

It makes perfect sense.

When ANYTHING is attacking me, (in terms of damage reduction)what should matter is MY level and MY armour. The damage that THEY do is modified by THEIR attack power and other buffs and has NOTHING to do with their targets armour.
It would be totally unreasonable to have this somehow modified by the level of what's attacking me. From a PvP perspective this would REALLY be apparent.
With 10,000 Armor at level 60 you would have DR of 63%. In your world, a level 70 would not only have superior damage and gear, but would also have the advantage of reducing that DR to 48.6%. Imagine being that level 51 in AV??

Forgive me, "sense" in terms of Blizzard's mechanics is seldom the right word.

It simply contradicts what the character sheet wording implies as well as the information on wowwiki.

Emrus · 12/27/07, 5:14 PM

Originally Posted by Quigon

For moogle and kreallana...

Armor is based on who the individual is hitting. It does not matter if it is the boss swinging or a player swinging.

If you are hitting a boss, you are hitting a level 73.

If the boss is hitting you, the boss is hitting a level 70.

Also there is a blue post that is well summarized by a post by kalgan in my protection warrior thread. You can search for kalgan in the OP of that thread to see precise values for armor reduction already worked out. This thread has a nice summary of that - but the value of armor penetration is fairly straightforward.

The equations are right, but the text is wrong. As you stated in your post "The protection warrior" the variable "level", is the level of the person that preforms the attack and the "armor" variable is the armor of the struck.

So: If you a lvl 70 is hitting a boss and the equation would look like this:

If the boss a lvl 73 is hitting you: (the usual equation we deal with in the tanking topics)

Edit: My bad your post does not state that, though it should since it is the latter equation that is used for the following graphs

Quigon · 12/28/07, 3:29 PM

Yes, I said it backwards - as a boss cap for incoming is based on 11960.

Alektra · 01/21/08, 6:30 PM

Can anyone verify this simple equation?

As a very very rough guide:

Multiply the armor pen value by 0.6 to get it's equivalent increase if it were AP.

So 100 Armor Pen =

100 x 0.6 = 60 AP

This assumes you already have a decent amount of AP, and your target has around 3-4k armor.

I am looking to go dual exe on my rogue, I'm not here to debate which is better just to find the AP equivelant to Arn pen.

If 100 Armor pen = .6 ap then I would def go dual for the refresh rate. That would mean Exe = 504 or so AP, and Goose = 120 AP.

Can someone verify that?