• Astrylian

Thanks for the report... Can you please give me the character file that you used (cnervig@hotmail.com), and tell me exactly what optimization settings you used?

 

seminarca

Re: all the duplicate items in rawr with lots of different gem combos.

Back in b12.1 I went through and deleted all duplicate copies of socketed items, leaving only two per item. One I would socket fully with Solids (Empyrean Saphire for T6+ level stuff, Star of Elune for T5- .. tanking) and the other I would socket fully with Delicates (Crimson Spinel for T6+ level stuff, Living Ruby for T5- .. dps). Socket bonus considerations would be taken on a per item basis, and rarely come into play when making a decision anyway. So this gave me a nice clean list without much clutter, and it gave a very good *general* idea of where stuff places in relation to one another. If you wanted to get a more specific idea depending on what gems you'd actually put in a specific item (to meet a meta requirements for example), well you could always just create a third copy.

The UI for doing gems is a bit clunky (sorry Astrylian!) so I did it in notepad (lots of Ctrl+F and copy pasting). Oh, and I also removed as many caster or Rogue items as I could find.

I can upload my old ItemCache.xml file if anyone wants.

PS: Thanks for b13 kek :>

 

xyruul

Is there a new eta for mangle bot functionality in rawr?

 

• Cluey

Could we all try and keep the Rawr specific discussion in the http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t21713-r...l_development/ thread please?

 

• Astrylian

Anything that's not model specific, please take to http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t21713-r...l_development/
Problems/suggestions with the Cat/Bear model in particular, I believe that this is the appropriate place.

 

Inaiwae

Offtopic: You mean ironshield potion, right? Why do you use it when brutallus is on you? You can drink it when he's on the other tank.

 

spartakos

Are you sure you are crit immune?

 

miracool

If you are seriously low on health in a boss fight - why do you want to wait for the GCD to finish to keep you alive?
Doesn't make sense IMHO

If you are gonna die - swallow that HS ASAP!

 

◊ Vaccine

On Brutallus, if he hit you in Caster form (whcih with pot you'd have like 10k armour) he'd one shot you quite easily. Only thing I can think of would be that you lucked out and dodge his Main hand hit and the 12k was an offhand one.

But the bigger question, why use a macro at all for Ironshield pots? Use them just before you take it off the other tank when you switch out to barkskin. I think it was more likely a crit mainhand attack, 12k without stomp would sound about right for that. Can't see because your character profile links to a warlock.



Looks fine to me. For a Druid at your level of progression I wouldn't really be expecting more than that.

What I would say is that the rest of your guild has incredibly low DPS. I'd expect with your ~1000 dps for you to be in the bottom realms of the DPS charts, maybe around/above the shadow priests. Najentus isn't ideal for a DPS check due to his shield phases short changing some classes (especially dot classes) but still, I wouldn't be expecting to see a Warlock at 670 dps, other ranged averaging around 800, its pretty shocking even for a guild just stepping into BT. That you and the Enhancement Shaman, both really support classes, are 3rd and 4th respectively on DPS/dmg is bad. I'd be intrested in seeing other WWS parses from better bosses than this (Rage winterchill would be better).

But to answer your question again, your DPS looks fine if not higher than I'd expect at that level.

 

Carlos

When I look at our 2 Naj'entus kill WWS
Kill #1 Wow Web Stats
Kill #2 Wow Web Stats

I must say that we just started MH/BT after 2.4 leaving Vashj and Keal sitting were they are. The effects Monkens sees are the same. Some are very easily getting into the fight others might need more time to find their spot on theDPS charts.

 

Yaelle

We had our first evening of attempts on Brutallus yesterday and our other Feral Druid tanking was having some serious threat issues, he was doing around 1300 tps. WWS showed that he had a lot of misses, making me think to equip some more +Hit (SSC Boots and Bagde Belt) but I'd be trading survivability for that. Never the less I am concerned about threat generation for Bears in general (due to poor Hit and lack of Expertise on our T6-Gear) and I'd appreciate some advice.

 

• Daboran

I found the same thing looking back at my WWS parses. Warriors can pick up hit/expertise pretty easily, but I was running at over 20% miss rate on our first night. Not an issue at that point as we were learning the fight, but I'm going to swap out [Pendant of Titans] and wear [Brooch of Deftness] for our next run. I may even put a +10hit gem in my S3 bracers.

 

◊ Vaccine

Well we talked about it a few pages back. Brutallus gives infinite rage anyway so Maul every hit, spam swipe and Mangle whenever possible. Not much else to say really. The boss is tauntable, if you keep an eye on KTM you can use taunt during your tanking phase should any ranged starting getting too far ahead of you on the threat meter. A taunt will bring you just over him and as the fight goes on the chances of a ranged pulling aggro from you are less and less (because the % to pull becomes a much higher threat figure each time you taunt).

You can also, if you aren't already, use consumables like [Adamantite Weightstone].

 

• Daboran

No it won't - that's totally NOT how taunt works.
Taunt gives you the threat of the mob's CURRENT target and forces it to attack you afterwards. Following taunt the previous aggro target would need 110%/130% (melee/ranged) of your aggro to re-pull it, which is enough time for you to pull away again.

You would have to actually allow a ranged dps to pull aggro THEN taunt in order to get the effect you describe.

 

◊ Vaccine

Yer you're right, my bad.

Maybe just look at your threat generation cycles then if you are having trouble. I was running at around a 20% miss rate on our first kill and practices and wasn't having trouble with generating threat. Raid dps was just over 29k.

 

Kaidman

I was able to find it on WWS. I was in bear form mid-tanking already. Stomp was on the way within about 10 seconds and noticed Ironshield was not on so went to pop it. I'm unable to see any way to see when bear was cancelled, but I use the macro which checks GCD while in bear before it will cancel form. And yes.. I'm crit immune on Brutallus

Assuming I just had my pc bogged down too much at the time from FRAPS and combatlog running, unless others have experienced the same. I did end up living, just scary on a boss that hits like Brutallus, especially when I'd like to use Nightmare Seed right before stomps.

Edit: dug up the Stomp hitting also in case some may say stomp was on during the 12k, which it wasn't.

 

Inaiwae

You do not need to use nightmare seeds in bear form. As with ironshields, you can use them before you taunt. They have 30 seconds duration so it is possible with little planning.

I made following picture about meteors and stomps. It uses actual combat log data for meteor and stomp timing. Provided that these are regular (so far it seems to me that they are), you can plan when to use trinket / seed.

Top line shows which tank actually tanks. Transition period is when the tank lines switch place. Stomps which fall in this period (5-7) are tauntable.

 

Torpesh

I noticed the same thing and had an email all typed out to send to Astrylian when I double-checked things and noticed that you not only have to select which items are available to you, but also which gems and enchants are available to you. Without doing that it will create an outfit that has no gems (or enchants) even though the one that you're currently wearing has them. Once I selected some gems and enchants everything was good and I now have a pretty clear wish list for 2.4 Badge gear/MH/BT.

 

fanel345

Just wondering what the general consensus is about the [Thunderheart Waistguard]. I'm tanking brutallus tonight and if it drops I'd be in line to get it. I just had [Belt of Natural Power] made though and I really do like the extra gem slot on it. I'm a little low on hit but I do fine for threat on bosses.

Is it worth me wearing [Thunderheart Waistguard] over [Belt of Natural Power]?

Rawr seems to think [Belt of Natural Power] is better. Do you think it's wrong?

 

• Astrylian

Look at the stats... Natural Power has alot more Armor, a bit more stamina, and an extra slot. T6 has 20 more agi (10 more agi if you use that extra socket for agi). It's best for high-threat tanking, or dpsing. High-stam tanking, you'll want to stick with natural power, most likely.

 

◊ Vaccine

I'm pretty disgusted by it to be honest. Wouldn't touch it for tanking anything hard hitting, would use it in a trash set maybe. The bracers whilst not as bad still aren't that much of an upgrade over the badge ones.

The boots are the best piece and a great upgrade to Den Mother. I got those on our first Felmyst kill (yay for MT priority ).

 

• Falk

They're good for threat gen, but the main reason you'd want them would be so that you can retain 4pc immediately once the good stuff starts dropping. With tier sets coming out boss asses, I really don't see why tanks can't be defaulted one each, unless your raid is struggling so badly for dps that a mage or rogue with a belt a week or two earlier will really help a ton.