Check to make sure raid buffs have been disabled in your spreadsheet if they're not available. What DPS is your spreadsheet giving you, as a discrepency of a few hundred DPS is normal especially for less experienced rogues.

thank you vula, going back through it all that does make things work out properly :-D

well it use to be around 700ish on normal raid buffs, now its like taking a noticble dive since i started using alot of hit gems , im doing a couple of test using +4hit and + 4 agi to see if that truly was the lose, but maybe someone can answer this. A rogue @ SSC/TK content. does or doesnt need to be near 350ish or 360ish hit ?

A rogue at any content need to use whatever items he has access to that nets him the highest possible dps. Wether that gives you 200 or 350 HR is irrelevant. Although at 320+ you'll start to be hitcapped against 70-71 mobs, so depending on what you're raiding you might have a bit of wasted stats. I've noticed that my cycles get a bit more random when I'm dropping down closer to 200-220 hr, but I can't be arsed to regem everything constantly.

You really can't go much wrong with hit/agi in all red and yellows though. Try your favourite spreadsheet and check the differences yourself.

The answer to this question is in the original post.

The hit and expertise caps are NOT magic numbers that every rogue [or any rogue] must reach. Whether you're in T4 or T6, there are NO MAGIC NUMBERS for how much hit or expertise rating you "should" have. There is no special benefit to being capped with either stat, nor is there any special benefit to reaching an arbitrary threshold. The purpose of listing the caps here is so that you do not accidentally overshoot either cap by equipping too much hit rating or expertise rating. Always remember that any hit rating or expertise rating beyond the cap will have zero positive effect on your DPS.

I know what the priginal post said. but maybe it was clear as to what level of content your dealing with. kara rogues imo shouldnt be going for 300+ hit rating ? vs rogues in Hyjal. maybe my cycle is off but im doing 680ish dps reguardless

Hi everyone

This is my first post, but i have been reading these forums for a while now. I would like to thank the people that have contributed to improving not only my dps but many other rogues. Thanks a lot guys

Right now i have a few quetions

First. marcos?
i have a speedpad, my keys are macroed but not in sequence. For example ss 5 times then ruture. Mine are; for example:
/cast [modifier:shift] deadly throw
/stopmacro [modifier:shift]
/cast [nostealth, nocombat] Stealth
/cast [stealth] garrote ; [nostealth] rupture

Basically i spam my buttons to do my damage. However now im thinking if i had a macro in a sequence that would allowed me to check my energy/procs more. Im interested in what you guys do. Any input would be useful. Thanks.

Now for pooling energy. When should we be pooling energy? I gather right before poping cooldowns but if i went to a 5s/5r rotation before repeating i would have time to energy pool. Is this wise? My way of thinking is the more energy i use the more damage i can do. I get the concept of having a certain amount of energy in a fight due to procs and combat potency. Does pooling energy really do more damage over all?

Finally, demo warlocks in our guild do more damage then our rogues. Right now we are 5/8 BT we have a warlock in full t5 and he does more dps then anyone in the guild, around 1700-1900 dps. i cannot catch this person on dps. My question is, when i start getting end game items will my dps improve so i can beat warlocks? I can only manage 1400-1600 dps with my current gear. You are welcome to look me up on armoury and see if i am doing anything wrong.


Thanks again and keep up the good work

Skill and Group buffs go a LOOOONG way towards your dps. Warlocks can do very excellent dps. 1700-1900 in T5 is certainly on the excellent end of things. Properly buffed, they are a fierce competitor on the dps meters - often the nature of the fight will determine who comes out on top.

How are your group buffs? I may have Sunwell gear, but if I don't have Battle Shout.. I may as well be in ZA gear. With the gear and buffs I have for Brutallus, if I take the enhancement shaman out of my group (not replacing him w/ another class) I lose 30% of my dps. 30%. Over 600 dps gain from a single party member. If you're getting unimproved battle shout, resto-windfury (no UR or twisted GoA), no drums, no CoR, no Surv hunter, no Arms warrior, etc. and the warlock has an Ele shaman, Spriest, Moonkin, well it just isn't a fair fight.




And just to confirm about the /startattack line in macros - it does NOT reset your swing timer. I have that bound to a wheel on my mouse that has free-spin. about 20MB of my combat log each night is "Not enough energy" or "Not yet recovered" from my spinning that thing so fast. If it reset my auto attack, I wouldn't be dps'ing.

Does this mean that when I apply the talent point, the exp cap is the same for dagger as for sword/mace?

No, a Human wielding a dagger or fist weapon should follow the "non-Human" values.

So it goes like this (assuming 2/2 weap expertise)?

Expertise: 64
Expertise dagger: 84
Expertise (human): 44
Expertise dagger (human): 64

For daggers (any race) it would be:

0/2 Weapon Expertise: 103
1/2 Weapon Expertise: 83
2/2 Weapon Expertise: 64

Aha. Thanks.

Would the Bloodlust Brooch be an upgrade over the Hour of the Unraveller?

I ask this only because the hourglass has a proc on crit, where the brooch has a set cooldown. I have the badges and I was just wondering if it would be worth it for the upgrade. I also have Romulo’s Poison Vial which I would like to get rid of, but I need the 35hit at this moment in time.

Also I am putting out around 1,200 DPS on rogue friendly fights in Kara, and about 750ish on Prince. In ZA I do 1k on bear, eagle. Is that good or bad for my gear? The World of Warcraft Armory

If anyone is bored or does not mind answering me it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for running and maintaining such a great site on advice for all types of classes and specs, this thread has been a huge help to me as a player so far. Also any comment on my gear and upgrade suggestions would be very welcome. If there is a better place to be posting this please let me know.

Thanks!

Try reading the first post, which has links to these arcane bits of knowledge known only as "spreadsheets". They contain the answers to your questions.

I know some posters on here say that trash dps matters. However, there isn't
anything specific on the first post stating what the best use of energy/combo points
is on trash, especially trash that dies quickly.

I've searched on this thread for some answers and there seems to be two options:

1. Don't worry about envenom/eviscerate, get SnD up as soon as possible and burn
remaining CPs on SnD and move to the next trash mob.

2. Get a 1-2 CP SnD up, if 4/5 CPs are left, envenom if 5 stacks of DP up, otherwise
eviscerate.

Now, there are many scenarios we can consider. For example, a trash mob has a few
seconds to live, you still have SnD up, and you have 3 CPs. Do you burn the CPs on
an eviscerate/envenom or do you extend SnD for several more seconds and "transfer"
those CPs to the next trash mob?

Just wanted to know what the consensus is on maximizing trash dps. Thanks.

Apologies if this has been discussed in other threads but so far I have been unable to find it.

My guild has recently downed Kale and we are preparing to begin work on Brutallus. To this end I have been looking at a lot of WWS pages to see how other rogues have been performing and what buffs etc they are bringing in. One thing that I have been noticing is that a lot of the top damage rogues on the WWS reports have had the expose weakness buff up from the Ashtounge trinket. No matter how I plug my gear into the spreadsheet and what buffs I have selected I cannot see why they would be making this choice in trinket over the DST/Shard combo which for me beats out Ashtounge/DST by around 10dps. Is this due to the relatively short nature of the fight and the fact that the Ashtounge has no internal cooldown or is it a dual warglaive thing?

Your insight into this would be appreciated as it has been bugging me.

Cheers.

Have you tried T6 boots, Vashj Belt?

If you're otherwise expertise-capped otherwise (and haven't received the T6 belt yet for whatever reason), Shard of Contempt isn't the superior trinket.

Here's an excerpt from the upcoming TTT version of this article:

When you combine this effect with the fact that some of the Shard's expertise is extraneous for some rogues, it's very possible for AToL's performance to surpass SoC's on Brutallus.

delete me

Hello everyone,
I have recently started BT and after a few runs, it became evident to me that my DPS is nowhere as close as where it should be with my gear.
For example, I made 1400 dps at akama and 1724 on RoS, both fights where rogues should shine. Worst is that I can't exactly figure what I did wrong. The rotation I am using is 4snd/5r, on akama i used AR+BF+haste pot when i had 2 of the channellers close to maximize BF effect, on RoS I was just keeping up the rotation and using haste pots paired with BF everytime they were on CD (I was not on kicking duty). AR was used at the start of the fight and again 20 sec before RoS died (I actually ended up in pulling aggro at RoS 5 seconds before he died and died myself).
Note to mention that in those tries, I had a perfect group make up: enh shaman,warrior (imp bs but no solarian trinket), and a feral druid. Basically I can't understand what I do wrong. SnD never felt,also I was the highest amount of time possible on my target (if you exclude the time in which you move from one channeller to another in akama).
I don't play a rogue since a long so my conclusion is that I am doing something way off, but I can't exactly pinpoint what. Any helps/suggestion by fellow experienced rogue would be appreciated. Thanks in advance for the help.

Edit: forgot to mention I was using a flask, and hot spicy talbuk. Also the armory seem to show me with a few pieces of pvp gear, In pve I use the t4 helm with a RED and 5agi/4hit gems, bracers are the master assassin wristwraps with +8 hit, boots are the nyn'jah's tabi boots with 4agi/6 sta and a 5agi/4 hit gem (getting the socket bonus here), arcanite steam pistol instead of the war edge, lust brooch instead of the pvp trinket and cloak of the craft (25 agi 20AP and 13 HR) instead of the dory's embrace. That puts me at 1880 AP, 304 hit, w/o buffs.

I highly doubt you are doing anything wrong. Get 2-piece T6 working your way up to 4-piece. A survival hunter in the raid also helps your dps. I think you are mainly lacking gear.