Roguecraft 101 - Page 209

Shych · 05/26/08, 2:43 AM

Originally Posted by tremotrav

Im starting a rog for another alt, and was wondering what is better, human or NE rogue? does that +5 sword bonus really make that big of a diff?

Originally Posted by Original Poster

0/2 Weapon Expertise, non-Human: 103
1/2 Weapon Expertise, non-Human: 83
2/2 Weapon Expertise, non-Human: 64
0/2 Weapon Expertise, Human (wielding swords or maces): 83
1/2 Weapon Expertise, Human: 64
2/2 Weapon Expertise, Human: 44

This is the diffrence. You'll need 20 less expertise

Jakani · 05/26/08, 4:06 AM

Originally Posted by Ima krank don

But 41/20/0 mut does out dps combat fists (Not cswords) right?

No, it doesn't. How they compare will depend a bit on your progression/gear level, but in general mutilate does not do as much damage as combat fists, combat fist/sword, or combat swords.

• Vulajin · 05/26/08, 4:51 AM

At Aldriana's suggestion, I'll be asking the mods to close this thread, and I have opened a new one for discussion of rogue PvE DPS, including Wrath talents/abilities (when appropriate). The new thread may be found here:

http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t26242-r...lk_discussion/

Lorretine · 05/26/08, 5:32 AM

Other races (or humans with other weapon types) can make use of it providing they have at most one of the following items: [Belt of One-Hundred Deaths], [Dragonscale-Encrusted Longblade], [Slayer's Boots], or any other item with more than 20 expertise rating.

Hey all,

Right, I am a night elf rogue raiding gruul karazhan and soon moving to SCC/TK. I recently obtained Shard of Contempt from heroic MGT. But I am a bit confused now, if I would have to believe the above statement, equipping the shard and not capping your expertise with another item is a wasted trinket slot? Or would it still be usefull to get as close to the cap as possible with this trinket?

Hope somebody can clarify this, I am sitting on 255 hit rating at the moment still using Romulo's Poison Vial. I had a lot of other hit rating stuff too but the spreadsheet I used recommended I would stack some more attack power for my Combat Mace/Fist (dragonstrike/vanir off hand) build.

How come hit rating has such a little effect on my dps at my gear level?

Our gruul (and some other fights), right before I upgraded my Trinket, any advise would be greaty appreciated.

WWS STATS

EDIT: Armory is down, but here is my Rogue none the less.

Armory Downtime

EDIT: Oops, just read the latest post.

Giltaur · 05/26/08, 7:59 AM

Dear EJ's,

I have a small question, maybe one of you can help me out.

Now, I'm finally using the spreadsheet to finetune my gear. Atm my total dps equals 1493,91 with 279 Hit. I can buy [Angelista's Revenge] to replace my [Violet signet of the Master's Assassin]. According to the spreadsheet this will raise my total dps to 1508,85. Now this is a no-brainer, right? Yet, what makes me doubt a little is that my Hitrating will drop to 254. Is the spreadsheet actually taking into account the specific value of Hitrating to a rogue? If so, it seems I can safely wander even more from the 300+ Hit I had some time ago.

I could buy Tricker's Stickyfingers as well, raising my total dps to 1512,30 even. But...this will be at the costs of another 17 Hit + my 2pc Netherblade armorbonus. Leaving me at 237 Hit. Can you imagine my hesitation as a new user of the spreadsheet?

I would appreciate it if someone could help me a bit what to do.

Cheers,
Giltaur

Caladnei · 05/26/08, 8:22 AM

Although this is supposed to be posted into the new thread...

Both of you, did you read the first post? Hit rating is a good stat, but not the only one that increases your dps. There is no magic number you need to reach by all means - if another item means more dps for you, it doesn't matter if your hit rating lowers by equipping it.

@Lorretine: I think you missed the phrase "at most one" in that quote. Meaning, if you don't cap out by using that trinket, you have the second best available trinket for your level of progression in hand. As a night elf, you don't get capped with SoC alone - so you're fine. Just mind the expertise cap (2/2 Weapon Expertise, non-Human: 64) - SoC gives 44, so, plenty of room left to cap.

Romerz · 05/26/08, 8:46 AM

Not only did they not read the first post, they seem to have missed reading the post just before their own. If they aren't willing to even have a slight look for their selves...