The other thing is - if you're actually being careful about watching a Deadly stack, you can always Shiv upon coming back in and save the stack - I am reasonably sure that it's a net increase in DPS to shiv a dropping deadly stack than let it fall (in order to use SS). Of course, I personally don't really monitor my deadly stack that closely. :P

I did a little napkin math on this earlier in the thread and my conclusion was that although it's probably a very slight increase to do it, the reward is hardly commensurate with the effort. I'm talking a fractional DPS increase at best.

This brings up a good point - I don't think we really have a good raiding mods (rogue-specific) section on this thread ...

Would anyone care to bring up a few?

I read through the thread and didn't find something on this, thought I'd bring it up:

What should one consider when comparing an OH dagger versus an OH sword for a Combat Swords raiding spec? In other words, at what Speed/DPS does an OH dagger's increased chance at CP procs overcome the Sword Spec procs of an OH sword?

The context is that I have the Arena Season 2 OH dagger and I'm trying to decide if the Arena Season 1 OH sword would be a better choice for a sword spec, despite the DPS and speed differences.

(Edited to clarify my point by adding CP detail.)

Alrighty, not to beat on this topic yet again, but I guess I actually don't know what I would like to know. I've drawn up this chart:

I guess what I couldn't deduce from the post, after careful re-reading, is what the value of the Sword Spec was when comparing a Sword to another weapon type for the OH slot. (Hence, the ?? up in my chart.)

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

The ones I rely on are Cutup - specifically it's julianne module - for slice and dice timing, Classtimer for sap/stun/rupture/poison watching, Pitbull's spark module for incoming energy ticks, and Quartz for big enemy casting bars to interrupt.

+ the obvious threatmeter type stuff.

edit: in the vein of this thread, I'd also suggest Pawn since it's easy to plug in the EP values from threadstart for easy gear assessment on the fly.

I actually made a post about this in this thread, post number 483, nobody seemed particularly interested at the time but I still think it would be a good section to have.

I've searched already, not seen any sign of a post reguarding Blade Twisting, so i was thinking, yea, its not as good as crippling poison, but if it can't be dispelled by BoF/shapeshifting like Daze from a mob can't it could have its uses, has any testing been done in this area?

Well, snares such as crippling poison are primarily useful in PvP; in PvE, and in particular for raiding, very few things need to be snared, so the viability in PvE - which is the focus of this thread - is fairly minimal. In particular, some months ago I ran with 2/2 Blade Twisting and I don't recall ever noticing it proc.

In terms of PvP utility: I can imagine it being somewhat useful, but that would perhaps be a better question for one of the rogue PvP threads.

On the topic of Addons.. basically you need to do a few things: (I've listen the mods I use in brackets)
-Watch threat (Omen)
-Watch energy / combo points (EnergyWatch v2)
-Watch SnD time [and other procs/dots to a lesser extent] (ClassTimer)
-Watch enemy cast times (Quartz)

And some more optional stuff:
-Watch our own health (X-Perl)
-Watch boss health and Target of Target (X-Perl)
-Damage Meters (Recount)
-Bar Mod (Bongos2)
-Combat Text Display (Scrolling Combat Text)
-Watch Boss Timers (Big Wigs)
-Watch Buffs (ElkBuffBars)
-Combat Log (AutoCL)
-Watch Equipment Durability (DuabilityFu)
-Cut down on spam (RogueSpam)
-Automate Poison/Flash Powder stuff (Hemlock)

I would definitely recommend Omen, ClassTimer, Quartz (especially for rogues on RoS), BigWigs (DBM works ok too), RogueSpam and Hemlock. The rest you can get by without (default UI works ok), or there are very suitable replacements. A good UI can definately improve your performance in a raid - a simple SnD timer of any sort will go a long way to helping your DPS. The rest of the mods basically help keep you alive and do other helpful things.

It should be noted that, if properly formatted, ElkBuffBars will give you all the info from ClassTimers and RogueTimers as well as SnD timers. I have it set up with 8 different buff/debuff categories, yes it's a bit messy, but it also puts each buff exactly where I want it. I'm not sure if it's still around, but natur enemy cast bars is an amazing addon for tracking cooldowns of all types, but also needs a good bit of self formatting.