Etherealz

I believe the specific issue involves changing targets mid cast (to chain cast) the first target dies before your next cast goes off, be it by you or the rest of your raid. The mobs need to both be the same type (bonechewer warlock or something) for it to occur. I believe it was mentioned earlier that in 2.4 mobs are getting their own ID's so the issue will possibly be resolved.

 

Goedel

In fact, spells will be interrupted like that even if you've already cast one or two times on the second target (you underestimated target one's time to live) and are continuing to chain cast as the first goes down, which seems even stranger. Waiting for the cast bar to complete (accepting the bit of latency rather than chain casting) before one of the casts on target two seems to be the only way to avoid the possibility of such interruption now.

 

Sancus

Actually, merging Vengeful Spirits into rdps is specifically done for the purposes of showing off by increasing your rdps so that you show up higher on the rankings list. It has no effect on how fast Teron dies, and no effect on the fight, thus there's no conceivable "maximizing" reason to do it. So I'd have to say that WWS as your guild is using it is specifically to show off.

<Vontre> I removed the cooldown on evo
<sancus> and what happened?
<Vontre> DPS went down rofl

 

Chimera

If we had used ghost data when other people were not doing it, then I would agree with you. Since every other top 5 parse (and most of the parses on the first page) for teron has ghost data merged, merging it is the only way to put yourself on an even footing (rankings wise) with the other guilds posting parses.

However, this is completely beside the point, since Mojache was not talking about our guild DPS. He was talking about his personal DPS, to which the ghost data in the parse is completely irrelevant.

This point is pretty much completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand, but I'll address it anyways. That's true, the point of posting a number 1 dps parse is to show off. WWS is one of many valuable ways to recruit quality applicants. Ghost data being included in teron parses isn't a new thing. Not so long ago we were not merging pet data, and were wondering why what we thought were very high DPS kills were not making it to where they ought to on the WWS rankings. We investigated and realized that the guilds beating us were merging ghost data into their parses. That bothered me too, but what can you do? So now we merge ghost data to put ourselves on an even footing with them. This may obfuscate the data a little bit, but it adds roughly the same amount to every parse, so the relative rankings remain correct.

If you want a more accurate way to compare parses, just look at the fight time. (in this case 2 min 14 sec)

More importantly, WWS doesn't attribute ghost damage to a player, so the individual DPS numbers for each player in the parse are still correct. Therefor, for the purposes of this, or any other thread that is focused on breaking down an individual player's performance, ghost damage is a non-issue.

 

Andersnordic

Ive made a post on the general mage forum (EU atleast) regarding suggestions for how they can strengthen our synergy/utility.

If you want us to have more synergy/utility in raids, feel free to bump the thread. Its not as pragmatic as it would be if posted here though, but its a start.


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Akuman

1. We need mages in TK and SSC to sheep trash.
2. Frost mages for the parasites on Illidan
3. Fire mages for a consistent scorch debuff on the boss.
4. Several frost novas have its uses while raiding.


But besides that, I suppose you're right.

I think the idea of having molten armor affect everyone in your party is a bit too much like having an oomkin.

Perhaps a new buff like 'ever time you crit twice in a row your party get +5% haste on spells for the next 5 seconds' would be nice.

Might be a bit too overpowered...

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Nurru

Fire mages can do this job just fine. We've done it with a single Fire mage before even. Frost makes sense when learning Phase 2 at least though.

 

Kiklerakos

Indeed i've solo'ed it as fire mage with some help from hunters , though at enrage it gets tricky.(You have no CD's to CC parasites)

 

◊ manly

Well, this is why you use cone of cold / frostnova (in that order, counter-intuitively). If you use dragon's breath you induce a 20s cooldown on cone of cold, which only makes things riskier.

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bug Arcane Potency only applies to the first Arcane Missile bolt.

 

spiderella

I'm usually spec'd deep fire w/ improved blizzard for demons on Illidan, an improved blizzard (even rank1 if it's really desperate) can be pretty clutch if you don't have any other cooldowns up or even to assist another mage from a distance.

 

Sancus

Scorch debuff is not utility, it's a ramp-up penalty on Fire mage damage. They are not the same thing. If Scorch helped anyone else, it'd be utility, but it doesn't. Only extremely bad, incompetent Warlocks use Incinerate or Immolate, and no one else has fire-based abilities.

And, technically speaking, Hunters can frost trap and multi-shot parasites dead just as effectively as Mages if you wanted to do it that way.

<Vontre> I removed the cooldown on evo
<sancus> and what happened?
<Vontre> DPS went down rofl

 

eaglesrock

just because i havent seen any post about it in a while, is elemental precision still bugged for frost dmg that it gives 6% hit instead of the stated 3% hit?

 

Gofa

Pretty sure it is stilled bugged.

This ID I've been deep frost for some dps testing (about ~1600dps @teron, not too bad) and I had about 11% hit. Well.. I sometimes had a shamy (+1%hit), but my resist rate was lower than 3% on all the bossfights, rather it was 1%.

 

xiaoxin21

Won't rank 1 frost bolt do the same thing? or am I missing something?

It is utility if you bring a few mages as not all of them have to take imp Scorch. I would reckon it will help deep arcane/fire mages and also frost mages sometimes in fights you have to run around as they can throw a fireblast or 2. Also if I am not wrong, Affliction warlocks do use immolate on their dps cycle.

 

Nurru

Manly did 2000+ (2100+?) as 2/48/11 without CoE. Aspire to do more than 1600.

 

Roywyn

A long range channeled -75% speed AoE snare doesn't even begin to compare with rank 1 frostbolt really.
It does to Shadow Demons the same that a protection paladin does to Hyjal trash (ghouls in particular).

Honestly, demons with improved blizzard is a joke. It's totally trivialised to hell and back. I don't even have the words to describe it. Viscious parasites too, actually.

 

spiderella

For parasites, if you use blizzard you can snare the two while other DPS (not using snares) help. It's not optimal over frost nova (or pet nova if a mage has that out) but I do it if someone manages to pick up parasites from melee contact, and not that it should be planned for necessarily but other range DPS probably also want to help kill these quickly. Rank1 frostbolt is also a lesser snare than imp blizz (assuming both fully talented).

 

Fireflash38

For all the WWS that I have done in the last few weeks, yes it is still bugged.

 

◊ manly

Well, to be honest the fight is like perfectly tuned to ruins frost dps as a whole. I would not expect super numbers on teron, even with 2pct4 (mostly because your pet will die from all the 'aoe' damage). (and its 2200 dmg for reference :P )

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Vasquez

I can confirm that stupid elemental tends to spawn in the blaze and die instantly (depending on what positioning you use for p2 of course; we use 4 groups N,S,W,E). On our first Illidan kill yesterday I popped elemental in p2, it died, I congratulated myself... moved to what looked like a safe position, coldsnapped, popped it again. It died.

 

galzohar

Yeah scorch helps other classes, but that help is negligible. You'll generally have very low fire dmg from warlocks and shamans, multiplying that already small dmg by 1.15/1.25 (well slightly less considering misery but let's ignore that for the moment) is a very, very small bonus to your raid that you can safely say imp scorch and CoE are only really buffing mage dps.

 

Imbar

People with pets should be able to get a targetting ring (like AOEs have, flamestrike, blizzard, etc) so you can plop the elemental someplace where the stupid thing won't die and just park it the hell away from danger.

 

andastra

Dragon's breath is actually pretty good for parasites. We used to have two fire mages on parasites and two dragon's breaths would kill them.

 

◊ manly

The problem isn't that dragon's breath is good or not, the problem is that it triggers a 20s cooldown on your cone of cold. It should not be used unless you know for a fact you won't have to deal with an extra parasite. You should plan ahead of time, in case parasite infects another player or anything going wrong, in which case cone of cold is just safer.

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andastra

From what I understand, though, parasites infect another player by melee. The disorient of dragon's breath takes care of that. And my guild just plays it safe by having hunters help with traps and multishot.