[Warrior] DPS Spreadsheet 2.3 and beyond - Page 10

Milfeulle · 10/29/07, 12:20 PM

Combing through the items sheet, I found a few particularly glaring errors:
- Warbringer Greaves is missing 37 crit rating
- Destroyer Gauntlets is missing 30 crit rating
- Royal Cloak of Arathi Kings is 10 hit rating too high (26 in the sheet, 16 in wowarmory)

And there are a few minor inconsistencies:
- Onslaught Gauntlets is missing the 2 crit rating gem bonus
- Serpenshrine Shuriken is 14 stam, 12 hit, 20 crit
- Shuriken of Negation is 19 stam, 42 AP

Notes:
1) I haven't checked trinkets. I am not familiar with the math of approximating the procs to verify accuracy of the numbers.
2) Nor have I checked weapons yet. I may update this a bit later.
3) I am using wowhead for the data (except the cloak). If I made a bad call, please tell me and forgive my ignorance.

gnuoyiy · 10/29/07, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by LodeRunner

Two points in Imp Whirlwind will break the perfect rhythm attained through one point.

I don't know how this rhythym works if you could further explain. I raid as fury with that 1 pt. but I still see my BT / WW occasionally cooling down at the same time. Is this due to latency/player error or did I misconstrue what you meant by rhythym.

Apate · 10/29/07, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by gnuoyiy

I don't know how this rhythym works if you could further explain. I raid as fury with that 1 pt. but I still see my BT / WW occasionally cooling down at the same time. Is this due to latency/player error or did I misconstrue what you meant by rhythym.

Lifting this from where I typed it up elsewhere:

This cycle also brings out the idea that 1 point in imp. WW can be valuable. Consider a time line with no imp. WW (key: characters = .5sec, * is inside the GCD, | = button press):

    :BT----------BT----------BT----------
    :---WW------------------WW------------------
Time:|**|**------|**--------|**???

Consider the same with 1 point in imp. WW:

    :BT----------BT----------BT----------
    :---WW----------------WW----------------
Time:|**|**------|**------|**|**-----

Kaan · 10/29/07, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by LodeRunner

Two points in Imp Whirlwind will break the perfect rhythm attained through one point.

The spreadsheet is reporting more DPS with 2 points in imp. ww. Though I accept what you say, I don't understand, how this can be (though version 0.9.4 displayed less dps than 1/2 ww, with 2/2 ww).

Lopert · 10/30/07, 10:44 AM

Dumb question when it states your best cycle: 3xBT, 2x WW what does that actually mean in laymans terms?

Gruntle · 10/30/07, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by Kaan

The spreadsheet is reporting more DPS with 2 points in imp. ww. Though I accept what you say, I don't understand, how this can be (though version 0.9.4 displayed less dps than 1/2 ww, with 2/2 ww).

Sounds like a bug with 9.1.6. As you said, with 9.1.4 I get less dps with 2/2 than 1/2 in imp ww (due to the fact that sheet does not use the 3/2 cycle with 2/2, maybe this has been changed in 9.1.6).

As to whether 2/2 imp ww is worth it. The optimal cycle is BT-WW-BT-WW-BT (18 sec with all cooldowns), this is true also if you have 2/2 imp ww. The optimal cycle is possible to use even if you have 2/2 imp ww, thus you should get the same cycle dps for the 1/2 and 2/2 setups. What 2/2 imp ww gives you is some slack, you don't have to time your WW's as perfect as with 1/2.

Rhaeti · 10/30/07, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by Lopert

Dumb question when it states your best cycle: 3xBT, 2x WW what does that actually mean in laymans terms?

Scroll down the buffed dps tab for your answer.

Lopert · 10/30/07, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Rhaeti

Scroll down the buffed dps tab for your answer.

I must be really thick headed but I still don't get it.....I dont understand what the SS is trying to tell me.

Brissa · 10/30/07, 12:08 PM

It means that in a time interval of 18 seconds you will do 3 bloodthirsts and 2 whirlwinds

Lopert · 10/30/07, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by Brissa

It means that in a time interval of 18 seconds you will do 3 bloodthirsts and 2 whirlwinds

So to attain the optimal DPS (the number the SS spits out) I should try and do that same cycle every 18 seconds? And use cool downs to refresh BS, Rampage, or throw in a HS?

Gruntle · 10/30/07, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by Lopert

So to attain the optimal DPS (the number the SS spits out) I should try and do that same cycle every 18 seconds? And use cool downs to refresh BS, Rampage, or throw in a HS?

Yes. During the 18 sec you will have some free gcd's (when both WW and BT are on cd), you should do BS/rampage and maybe hamstring (watch the added threat though) on these gcd's. Heroic strike (HS to me) can be used separately from the cycle, it's not on the gcd.

If you want you can use a castsequence macro to do the BT/WW cycle (if you use the "?" icon, it should show the cd of the ability that's going to be used the next time you press it). Press the macro every time one of the abilities becomes available:

/castsequence reset=18 Bloodthirst, Whirlwind, Bloodthirst, Whirlwind, Bloodthirst

Lopert · 10/30/07, 4:35 PM

Originally Posted by Gruntle

Yes. During the 18 sec you will have some free gcd's (when both WW and BT are on cd), you should do BS/rampage and maybe hamstring (watch the added threat though) on these gcd's. Heroic strike (HS to me) can be used separately from the cycle, it's not on the gcd.

If you want you can use a castsequence macro to do the BT/WW cycle (if you use the "?" icon, it should show the cd of the ability that's going to be used the next time you press it). Press the macro every time one of the abilities becomes available:

/castsequence reset=18 Bloodthirst, Whirlwind, Bloodthirst, Whirlwind, Bloodthirst

Awesome, thanks for the help. I will try it in tonights raid.

Rhaeti · 10/30/07, 5:43 PM

Yeah I find that using a cast sequence macro helps avoid screwing up my cycles. With 1/2 imp WW, you have to get your cycles perfect or there is still going to be some overlapping between WW/BT CDs. Even with normal game lag, I find myself still having times when my cycles aren't perfect. I was thinking of trying out 2/2 whirldwind to avoid this if Blizzard decides to unlink enrage and flurry to free up some talent points.

Rhaeti · 10/30/07, 6:26 PM

I was playing around with weapons in the latest version of the spreadsheet, and going from Blade of Infamy to Rising Tide in the MH gives about a 10 DPS increase @ the following stats (before MH is added): 3924AP, 36% crit, 178 hit rating, 103 haste. This makes no sense to me since the hit should not be as valuable as the high agi on the Blade which gives nearly 1% crit with kings--not to mention the 12 more AP. Maybe I have hit some magical boundary hit wise where ~20 more hit rating is going to increase DPS more than the extra AP and crit, but that makes no sense to me. It seems like it's some mystical point where hit rating is more valuable than it should be. This is weird.

Randor · 10/30/07, 6:42 PM

Is weapon skill maxed?