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Old 11/23/07, 3:44 AM   #301
Gruntle
King Hippo
 
Tauren Warrior
 
Earthen Ring (EU)
Originally Posted by dr_AllCOM3 View Post
I have version 0.1.0.7 here and OO doesn't like it. Remember which version you tried?
I appreciate that you're looking into this. I'm not sure if there are different versions of OO that can handle it different as well.

The spreadsheet version it's working in is 1.1.3, not sure if that was the latest version before you remade the sheet. but I guess the link to that version should still be in the old thread. If you can't find it I can probably post the script (or upload the sheet again). From what I can tell, that script is just a recorded macro (adding +1 to each of the stats, str/crit/agi/hit/AP and checking the output damage).

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Old 11/23/07, 4:17 AM   #302
kyote
Glass Joe
 
Orc Warrior
 
Der Rat von Dalaran (EU)
Ähem.
I just tried this new Badges Neck with Expertise an Hit Rating in the Spreadsheet, and it says, that its the best DPS Neck available at this time.

Am I making mistakes? Or is Expertise really that strong?

With my actual gear I could push my DPS up to 30 more with it.

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Old 11/23/07, 5:18 AM   #303
Gruntle
King Hippo
 
Tauren Warrior
 
Earthen Ring (EU)
Have you actually tried to look around in the thread before asking? There is a bug in the latest test version of the sheet with expertise (1% per expertise is used instead of 0.25% for gear and racial expertise). A fix was posted some pages ago.

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Old 11/23/07, 5:33 AM   #304
kyote
Glass Joe
 
Orc Warrior
 
Der Rat von Dalaran (EU)
Hm.
So im the Dumb because I missed this Information on a 13 Pages Thread? (that I've read, but not in fully detail)
KK


Thx for the Info anyways.

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Old 11/23/07, 5:39 AM   #305
Alaron
Von Kaiser
 
Tauren Warrior
 
Dethecus
I'd like to request that the sheet be updated to reflect the effects of a few talents in the Protection tree. Specifically, Vitality, One-Handed Weapon Specialization, Devastate, and the earlier mentioned Defiance expertise change in 2.3.2. Focused Rage would be helpful also, though it seems like that would be a more expansive change. None of the others seem like they would be particularly difficult to factor into the spreadsheet's equations, but I'd rather not fool around with them myself.

Protection warriors aren't by any means DPS machines, but when wearing DPS gear and using Devastate/WW "cycles" they can do non-trivial DPS. As an off-tank of a guild just breaking into Hyjal/BT, I'm working on setting up some DPS gear for the many fights that don't need me. Most of the gear selection is fairly intuitive, but I would be interested in a bit more of a quantitative look at various itemization optionss given the above talents. In the end, it might not make much impact on the raid, but it is still good for personal interest.

Last edited by Alaron : 11/23/07 at 6:46 AM.

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Old 11/23/07, 6:18 AM   #306
Gruntle
King Hippo
 
Tauren Warrior
 
Earthen Ring (EU)
Originally Posted by kyote View Post
Hm.
So im the Dumb because I missed this Information on a 13 Pages Thread? (that I've read, but not in fully detail)
KK


Thx for the Info anyways.
No you're not dumb, just lazy :P. I don't know which version of the spreadsheet you're using (I don't think the expertise bug is in the 9.1.6 version). You shouldn't be using test versions and expect them to be 100% correct.

The thread wouldn't be 13 pages long if people would try to read a bit in it before asking questions that others have asked before (and that has been answered).

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Old 11/23/07, 2:36 PM   #307
dr_AllCOM3
Great Tiger
 
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Orc Death Knight
 
Blutkessel (EU)
Originally Posted by Gruntle View Post
I appreciate that you're looking into this. I'm not sure if there are different versions of OO that can handle it different as well.

The spreadsheet version it's working in is 1.1.3, not sure if that was the latest version before you remade the sheet. but I guess the link to that version should still be in the old thread. If you can't find it I can probably post the script (or upload the sheet again). From what I can tell, that script is just a recorded macro (adding +1 to each of the stats, str/crit/agi/hit/AP and checking the output damage).
I would really like to have a SEP makro that works in OO. It should contain all the basic stuff I need.

Originally Posted by kyote View Post
Hm.
So im the Dumb because I missed this Information on a 13 Pages Thread? (that I've read, but not in fully detail)
KK
Short: Yes.


Originally Posted by Alaron View Post
I'd like to request that the sheet be updated to reflect the effects of a few talents in the Protection tree. Specifically, Vitality, One-Handed Weapon Specialization, Devastate, and the earlier mentioned Defiance expertise change in 2.3.2. Focused Rage would be helpful also, though it seems like that would be a more expansive change. None of the others seem like they would be particularly difficult to factor into the spreadsheet's equations, but I'd rather not fool around with them myself.

Protection warriors aren't by any means DPS machines, but when wearing DPS gear and using Devastate/WW "cycles" they can do non-trivial DPS. As an off-tank of a guild just breaking into Hyjal/BT, I'm working on setting up some DPS gear for the many fights that don't need me. Most of the gear selection is fairly intuitive, but I would be interested in a bit more of a quantitative look at various itemization optionss given the above talents. In the end, it might not make much impact on the raid, but it is still good for personal interest.
This sheet covers real DPS specs. You don't DPS with a Prot spec or very rarely and just for fun.
Protip: Collect money in the guild bank for respecs.

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Old 11/23/07, 4:32 PM   #308
Brissa
Not enough rage
 
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Gnome Warrior
 
Argent Dawn (EU)
Originally Posted by dr_AllCOM3 View Post
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This sheet covers real DPS specs. You don't DPS with a Prot spec or very rarely and just for fun.
Protip: Collect money in the guild bank for respecs.
While I understand why you might not want to put in the work required to expand the spreadsheet to include prot talents your responses are just rude and downright foolish.

Prot is not a DPS spec that much everyone can agree on. But that does not mean that prot warriors should not have a spare set that they can use on fights where they are not tanking. Sure if its progression content then they should probably respec but just because something isnt progression doesnt mean that as an individual you shouldnt strive to perform.
A spreadsheet (an extended version of yours or someone elses) would help prot warriors decide on what kind of itemization they should get in order to perform all their tasks as well as possible.

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Old 11/23/07, 5:06 PM   #309
zaon
Von Kaiser
 
Dwarf Warrior
 
Smolderthorn
Originally Posted by Brissa View Post
While I understand why you might not want to put in the work required to expand the spreadsheet to include prot talents your responses are just rude and downright foolish.

Prot is not a DPS spec that much everyone can agree on. But that does not mean that prot warriors should not have a spare set that they can use on fights where they are not tanking. Sure if its progression content then they should probably respec but just because something isnt progression doesnt mean that as an individual you shouldnt strive to perform.
A spreadsheet (an extended version of yours or someone elses) would help prot warriors decide on what kind of itemization they should get in order to perform all their tasks as well as possible.
I modified the spreadsheet and put in my gear and provided results for this earlier in this thread. Basically the gear should be almost the same as dual wield fury gear - so you don't really need to mod the spreadsheet to compare. The difference between 17/44 and 13/5/43 (3 points in deep wounds) went from 1450 to 1200 DPS for my gear with a 6 dev/1 WW cycle.

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Old 11/23/07, 5:13 PM   #310
Brissa
Not enough rage
 
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Gnome Warrior
 
Argent Dawn (EU)
There should be some difference because for example you wont have crit rating affect flurry uptime (it will be 0 anyway).

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Old 11/23/07, 6:24 PM   #311
Randor
Don Flamenco
 
Night Elf Warrior
 
Kilrogg
Originally Posted by Brissa View Post
A spreadsheet (an extended version of yours or someone elses) would help prot warriors decide on what kind of itemization they should get in order to perform all their tasks as well as possible.
Nothing stopping you, or someone else, to make one. Personally, I like keeping tanking and dps theorycrafting apart as much as possible since it just gets muddled in-between.

Plus, it's easy to spec and re-spec as needed.

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Old 11/24/07, 1:02 AM   #312
Kurtov
Glass Joe
 
Human Death Knight
 
Arygos
This sheet covers real DPS specs. You don't DPS with a Prot spec or very rarely and just for fun.
Protip: Collect money in the guild bank for respecs.
When I switch from 17/44, to 0/46/15 and put the 6 expertise in the sheet, I gain DPS. I'm not sure what gear lvl this occurs at, as I have only have Kara and below gear as of yet. Food for thought.

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Old 11/24/07, 1:12 AM   #313
starlon
Glass Joe
 
Human Warrior
 
Kilrogg
The link leads to RapidShare's root, not to the file download.

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Old 11/24/07, 5:50 AM   #314
Gruntle
King Hippo
 
Tauren Warrior
 
Earthen Ring (EU)
Originally Posted by dr_AllCOM3 View Post
I would really like to have a SEP makro that works in OO. It should contain all the basic stuff I need.
For some weird reason the SEP macro works in OO on Linux but the same macro does not work on Windows. It's just a mess to make it work (i've pm'd you the macro, but I doubt you'll make it work).

I can record a macro in the new sheet in OOBasic for you, should have some time to look at that in a day or two.

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Old 11/24/07, 4:58 PM   #315
Tyvi
Never, Mags. Never!
 
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Human Death Knight
 
Turalyon (EU)
Originally Posted by Kurtov View Post
When I switch from 17/44, to 0/46/15 and put the 6 expertise in the sheet, I gain DPS. I'm not sure what gear lvl this occurs at, as I have only have Kara and below gear as of yet. Food for thought.

Originally Posted by Gruntle View Post
There is a bug in the latest test version of the sheet with expertise (1% per expertise is used instead of 0.25% for gear and racial expertise). A fix was posted some pages ago.
Bless the 50 posts per page option <_<

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