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Old 09/03/08, 10:59 AM   #1076
Gruntle
King Hippo
 
Tauren Warrior
 
Earthen Ring (EU)
Why is [Soul Cleaver] not a good option? To me 80 dps difference in the favor of [Jin'rohk, The Great Apocalypse] seems like complete bullshit. I cannot check it in the spreadsheet though, due to it not working in OO. Soul cleaver has higher dps (and average swing damage) and has significantly better stats (I get 65 str+315 ArP to be about 20% better than 120 AP and 45 haste). Can the extra dps from sword spec and the human racial really account for that much and make Jin'rokh as much as 80 dps better?
 
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Old 09/03/08, 11:13 AM   #1077
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Bald Bull
 
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Human Warrior
 
Turalyon (EU)
Napkin math: If you have 0 expertise, then 5 expertise is giving you an additional 2.5% chance to land attacks which is roughly 2.5% more DPS.

Assuming 1500 DPS, then that's 37 DPS from the expertise alone and a 43 DPS increase from Sword Spec doesn't sound too unrealistic, does it?

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Originally Posted by Ghostcrawler, justifying Druid health > Warrior health
To be generous, the warrior has 50K and the druid has 55K? How many times is that 5K going to make a difference when the boss hits for 40K? I know more Stam is always better, even in relatively trivial amounts. But until the magnitude is so large that the druid can survive one more hit than the warrior, it isn’t likely to crop up often.
Clearly someone doesn't understand how EH works. That, or upgrading from T8 to T9 is optional in beating Arthas. Clearly.
 
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Old 09/03/08, 4:23 PM   #1078
Gruntle
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5 expertise is 1.25% anti-dodge, parry is not an issue for dps warriors.

Checking it in Rawr I get Soul Cleaver to be 20 dps (or about 2% in my gear) better than Jin'rokh, but that is without weapon specs and racial expertise, so all in all I guess Jin'rokh is better for a human, but not by 80 dps.
 
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Old 09/03/08, 4:58 PM   #1079
Liar
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Turalyon (EU)
Originally Posted by Gruntle View Post
5 expertise is 1.25% anti-dodge, parry is not an issue for dps warriors.

Checking it in Rawr I get Soul Cleaver to be 20 dps (or about 2% in my gear) better than Jin'rokh, but that is without weapon specs and racial expertise, so all in all I guess Jin'rokh is better for a human, but not by 80 dps.
Doh, I was in tank mode when calculating that. Sorry about that, you are of course right.

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Originally Posted by Ghostcrawler, justifying Druid health > Warrior health
To be generous, the warrior has 50K and the druid has 55K? How many times is that 5K going to make a difference when the boss hits for 40K? I know more Stam is always better, even in relatively trivial amounts. But until the magnitude is so large that the druid can survive one more hit than the warrior, it isn’t likely to crop up often.
Clearly someone doesn't understand how EH works. That, or upgrading from T8 to T9 is optional in beating Arthas. Clearly.
 
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Old 09/04/08, 1:36 PM   #1080
Machinator
Don Flamenco
 
Troll Warrior
 
Aggramar
I just reinstalled and I am getting the error that Excel 2007 has to remove some formatting that a couple others have mentioned. Search doesnt find any fix mentioned yet, is there one?
Ill try to scrounge up 2003 and see if that works.

"Information is ammunition."
 
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Old 09/09/08, 12:47 PM   #1081
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It was just one of those times where I, too, was shocked by the spreadsheet results, so I enchanted the Soul Cleaver and took it to a few raids. I was unimpressed, rage generation was very spikey, DPS was down on average and highly variable, and I went back to the Twinblade.

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Old 09/11/08, 6:09 PM   #1082
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Malorne
WarriorDPS_v400rc1

v4.0.0 RC1 Changelog
  • Re-wrote DPS additions and multipliers in a step-by-step fashion
  • Corrected haste application
  • Added Sanctiry Aura
  • Added Expose Weakness, with hunter agi and estimated up-time
  • Enhanced Deep Wounds model to include up-time
  • Tweaked Slam cycle timing
  • Corrected a major error with Expertise
  • Added Blackened Naaru Sliver
  • Added "Execute Defeat" feature to better facilitate cycle DPS testing
  • Corrected meta gem requirements bug
  • Fixed bug w/ execute set ranged slot
  • Finished rating caps
  • Fixed missing Dragonstrike proc
  • Rewrote haste code again
  • Tweaked slam cycle for greater accuracy
  • Took a wild guess at an Unbridled Wrath model; normalized for 2.4 attack speed, and using the old 8% per point as a base reference, though I've read stuff indicating it may be better than this
  • Tweaked "Talents" sheet

I am hoping to get this wrapped up soon, now that I am able to work on it again. I really want to get started on the WotLK updates. I know there have got to be some bugs in there, as I've been in a bit of a hurry, so as always, if you see any problems or have suggestions, please reply here.
 
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Old 09/14/08, 12:44 AM   #1083
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Glass Joe
 
Orc Warrior
 
Kel'Thuzad (EU)
Tried to use your WarriorDPS_400rc1-2 but can't get it to work not matter what I try. When I load it, everything seems fine, also when I put in my talents and buffs. But as soon as I select another spec in the sets-section (doesn't matter if it's one of yours or one of mine), all the numbers in the top secion get lost and are replased with "#NV" - same goes for the SEP numbers on the side of the items/gems.
I guess somehow he can't get the data from the other files - though all are open and working with no problems.

Just a thought - shouldn't it solve alot of problems putting everything in 1 file and not in 3 different?
 
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