also, since I get 1.2PPM with mongoose on auto-attack MH and 2PPM with mongoose on SS+ S&D MH, I cannot use your numbers to figure out the uptime for a rogue. Could you post an autoattack parse for 5-10min ?

tkx

So is it gonna be better than Savagery in arena? For MS Pvp wars that is

Well, I may have been confusing by mixing my terminology from my post earlier. This would be equivalent to having like an enchant that gave a constant 115 AP. Since it's ~50% uptime times an approximate value of 230 AP when it's up. So it could still be better than Mongoose, as I don't remember Mongoose's uptime under the same scenario.

I'll also note that stacking Executioner procs would theoretically be more valuable than just twice the value of one since mitigation scales non-linearly.

Can I ask you how you came to the 230AP figure? I would expect this enchant to be a nightmare to figure out roughly how much AP it translated into. You need to take into account the mob base armor, how much armor has been reduced through debuffs, and then after this you need to figure out the reduction in damage mitigation, and translate that extra % of damage into an AP figure, all of which is relative of your current stats as well.

It just screams statistical nightmare to me, but I'm not the brightest of the bunch, so there's always the possibility of me crossing eyes on this one and making it a lot more complicated than it actually is.

I did 25min test on blasted lands mob.

- Executioner MH (2.6)
- Mongoose OH (1.5)
- DST
- 1s5r cycle including BF/AR
- frontal dps
- 20/41
- appears to be ~1.3ppm (did few selrefreshes)

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Second 15min test on blasted lands mob.
- Executioner MH (2.6)
- frontal dps
- autoattack, no offhand

WWS parse

Combatlog

There is a nice Enhancement Shaman simulator which will calculate your DPS with a given set of stats. From there, it's simple to calculate the DPS with one set of stats and with another and compare the two. From this, we know that 1 armor penetration is equivalent to approximately 0.25 to 0.30 AP for Enhancement Shamans. I'm certain this figure will vary for other classes.

Greetings, just hoping to get some confirmation to rumors I've seen floating around:

Is it able to 'double proc' like Mongoose if you have it on both weapons? Some folks have stated it does not, and will merely refresh the single instance of it.

Second, I'm absolutely horrible with math, in a PvP sense, would this be effective enough to replace mongoose?

Now on to the most important question, what kind of glow does it have? :P

The second screenshot Flr posted shows a kind of bright white glow, though I'm not sure if that's inherent to the weapon used or not.

Depends on how theoretical you want to get. It's potentially worse for short matches since you won't have it up on the first hit, but it's definitely better sustained DPS

YouTube - WoW Executioner Enchant

Looks pretty sweet in my opinion.

anyone know yet if double executioner can stack yet?

It does not stack, and as of now, it does not have an internal cooldown.

Since it does not double stack then would it optimal for a rogue to have Executioner mainhand with Mongoose offhand? I'm curious as to your guys' thoughts because to me having some armor penetration on fights such as Void Reaver and curious on whether Executionor+Mongoose greater than/equal to Mongoose+Mongoose. (i'd try to crunch numbers but not currently on PTR and would probably mess something up.)

I would still imagine savagery being the winner in arena for warriors as lets be honest.. passive effect is the winner always.

I'm not the greatest math number cruncher or anything (It's why I come here to let other people do it for me :p ) but it seems to me that people are only taking into account the benefits of one proc (how much theoretical AP does it give?) and uptime. But it seems that people are missing an important aspect of mongoose: its double procs. When mongoose procs, and you already have one up, you get two buffs. So you don't lose any dps to overlap. However, with executioner, you merely refresh the buff, and you lose some dps in the overlap. Has this been taken into account?

Mongoose only exhibits that behavior if you have it on both hands; if you only have it on weapon, so far as I know, it refreshes. So that that means is that double executioner is probably bad, but using it one one hand and mongoose (or whatever) on the other is possibly quite good.

Rogues will probably be best off with a Mongoose/Executioner combo, but I'm not so sure about warriors.

I'm leaning toward executioner/potency

Static AP is never a bad thing and potency gains benefits from executioner.

Executioner/Potency

Erm, if the executioner proc beats mongoose (840 APen > 2% haste + 120 agi?), you want executioner MH. If executioner beats mongoose by a verly large margin (at least 30-40% better?), executioner it should go to your OH too - even if it doesn't double proc, the additional uptime might beat the effect mongoose.

The same goes for warriors - depending on how much better it is than mongoose (or potency), dual executioner might be the way to.

It all depends on the numbers.

Assuming Executioner has the same proc rate as Mongoose (which, as far as I know, hasn't been established), it just barely beats Mongoose straight up in terms of raw DPS - by little enough that the extra dodge granted by Mongoose might tip the balance for some rogues. Hence, I strongly suspect that most rogues will want to do either Executioner/Mongoose or double Mongoose; I don't see double Executioner being competitive.

Test Conditions

I went into DM, upto the King, around there are so called "Gordok Spirits" lvl 60 elite mobs, which are unkillable, but attackable.

I did 15mins tests as fury build with:

- 2 x Mongoose
- 2 x Executioner
- MH - Executioner / OH Mongoose

I used Rising Tide in MH and Swiftsteel Bludgeon in OH and ONLY DID WHITE ATTACKS!!
Also beside the Executioner buff i dont have any -armor reduction stats


Character Stats




1) DOULBE MONGOOSE

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2) DOULBE EXECUTIONER

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3) MH Executioner / OH Mongoose

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Conculsion and Observations

Stacking of Executionier

No it does not, when you already have Executioner buff on you and it refreshes itself, it only refreses the time on the buff, but not like Mongoose adding a 2nd buff.

TBH, either the mob in DM already has such low armor that the Executioner buff does not do much and thus this test is quite useless or Mongoose is just soo good because it can double stack, and if you compare the HITs quantity between double mongoose and double executioner, in long fights the extra attacks you gain due to speed increase includeing the way higher crit rate you have pay off!!