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11/12/07, 7:00 AM
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#46
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Piston Honda
Tauren Druid
Karazhan (EU)
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Well, it was some time ago, but I did a tanking gear progression list, with mostly items from quests and normal 5-mans, plus a few from heroic. It covers the basics, and in the same thread I also put the same kind of info for cats. It's a starting point if you need one.
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11/12/07, 10:36 AM
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#47
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Glass Joe
Blood Elf Paladin
Altar of Storms
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Some comments on the OP's gear list:
Since BoJ items are being included, then [Cowl of Beastly Rage] is probably better than [Stylin' Purple Hat]
With Survival of the Fittest this gear set pushes you well beyond crit immunity, so [Necklace of the Deep] properly gemmed becomes a better tank neck piece than [Necklace of the Juggernaut].
If you're going to include BoJ and BG rewards, might as well include Arena rewards as well and list [Merciless Gladiator's Dragonhide Spaulders] instead of [Shoulderpads of Assassination].
And at this point, are there any realms where someone can't find [Boots of Natural Grace] on the AH for a reasonable price (reasonable considering you won't replace them until BT). May as well note them, since any druid serious about tanking can have them before their first raid... Of course, this might then push you below crit immunity and change the best neck back to Juggernaut...
And [Braxxis' Staff of Slumber] is always floating around my realm's AH for a few hundred gold. It's a great tanking weapon until you can get CE Exalted.
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11/12/07, 12:18 PM
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#48
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Piston Honda
Tauren Druid
Karazhan (EU)
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Originally Posted by Iceman69
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I'd say so... since they are BoP.
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And [Braxxis' Staff of Slumber] is always floating around my realm's AH for a few hundred gold. It's a great tanking weapon until you can get CE Exalted.
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Usually more like 50g, or even less. Very good item indeed.
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11/12/07, 6:06 PM
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#49
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Don Flamenco
Retired
Tauren Druid
No WoW Account
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Originally Posted by anathor
I'd say so... since they are BoP.
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I'm pretty sure he meant the pattern (which is BoE), from which anyone capable of running a heroic can craft the actual item (they require Primal Nether, not Nether Vortex).
On topic: I've been tanking since pre-TBC and have always been an Armor/HP whore. However, I was doing Kara back in the post 2.0.x Druid nerfs, but pre 2.1 gear buffs (that brought Clefthoof, T4 et al into prominence). I first successfully tanked Prince and Nightbane in something ridiculous like 22k armor ~14k hp unbuffed with dodge somewhere around 30%.
I was using most of what Edenfall posted, except Assassination Shoulders, Chestguard of the Talon (low hp but incredible Armor / Dodge), Umberhowl bracers, Verdant Gloves, Manimal's Cinch, Ash Tempered Legs, and a pair of green high armor boots from a Blade's Edge quest (gosh, can't even remember the name now). I had gotten the heroic Badge neck/ring by then, and had the Violet Eye rep ring too. For trinkets it was, yep, good old Mark of Tyranny and Smoking Heart of the Mountain (Moroes was a cunt for aaages with his Pocketwatch).
At the time, I was using Hugehoss' spreadsheet (which is remarkably similar to rawr, or vice versa?) to get "tankpoint"-like AEP values, and plugging them into my own spreadsheet to rank/select gear and gems. Armor/HP always came out tops.
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12/14/07, 3:26 AM
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#50
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Banned
Tauren Druid
Ragnaros (EU)
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The main post of this thread has been updated with Pre-Heroic Gear, Feral Druid Enchants and some editing to fit the post Patch 2.3 environment.
Feel free to post tips and improvements or ask questions.
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12/14/07, 3:54 AM
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#51
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Von Kaiser
Night Elf Druid
Aggramar (EU)
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Good work
I would suggest adding Necklace of the Deep as an alternate to Necklace of the Juggernaut, gemmed with two Solid Stars of Elune it is a much better tanking item when you have enough defense and it can be easily obtained by buying it off a JC.
As you have mentioned the PVP bracers, an alternative on the shoulders that are well worth it imo are the Gladiator's Dragonhide Spaulders that can be purchased with some BG honor.
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12/14/07, 4:37 AM
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#52
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Banned
Tauren Druid
Ragnaros (EU)
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Originally Posted by Aadar
Good work
I would suggest adding Necklace of the Deep as an alternate to Necklace of the Juggernaut, gemmed with two Solid Stars of Elune it is a much better tanking item when you have enough defense and it can be easily obtained by buying it off a JC.
As you have mentioned the PVP bracers, an alternative on the shoulders that are well worth it imo are the Gladiator's Dragonhide Spaulders that can be purchased with some BG honor.
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Thank you. I will add those two to the list.
However, that neck is only an option in very special gear setups and only for useful for stacking health.
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12/14/07, 6:07 AM
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#53
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Piston Honda
Night Elf Druid
Sylvanas (EU)
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I still miss [Verdant Gloves] in the list. They are fine for Karazhan tanking and easily obtainable.
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12/14/07, 9:49 AM
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#54
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King Hippo
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If you're MT, stacking health is the name of the game. If you're pre-raid, you still probably have one or two arena pieces to get your crit immunity, so I don't consider it "special". Or PVP bracers, belt, or boots. Plus heavy defense already off Clefthoof items. It's very, very easy to go past crit cap, and once you do that the Juggernaut-to-Deep switch becomes VERY viable.
I'm in T6 content and only use Juggernaut when I'm maxing my dodge; typically I use Deep + 2x12 stam.
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12/14/07, 10:02 AM
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#55
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Banned
Tauren Druid
Ragnaros (EU)
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Originally Posted by Inaiwae
I still miss [Verdant Gloves] in the list. They are fine for Karazhan tanking and easily obtainable.
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Oh, I can add those gloves to the list over the weekend (leaving work now), but note that using them above ex. [Wastewalker Gloves] results in a big loss of Stam/Agi stats for just Armor.
Originally Posted by Allev
If you're MT, stacking health is the name of the game. If you're pre-raid, you still probably have one or two arena pieces to get your crit immunity, so I don't consider it "special". Or PVP bracers, belt, or boots. Plus heavy defense already off Clefthoof items. It's very, very easy to go past crit cap, and once you do that the Juggernaut-to-Deep switch becomes VERY viable.
I'm in T6 content and only use Juggernaut when I'm maxing my dodge; typically I use Deep + 2x12 stam.
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About PvP gear... PvP gear has a lot of survivability, but not mitigation. Tanking with only PvP gear would result in a dull dodge/miss chance. Though it's a fact that PvP gear is extremely viable when it comes to replace some certain gear slots. And Season 2-3 does pretty much replace some PvE gear. Then again, if you take a look at Blizzard's plan for Feral Druids: ex. Season 3 gear will have more survivability, but T6 will have better threat generation. However, that's more end game. Druids in early raiding content need to look out to keep their dodge up.
bye now /run
Edit: S3 may not have more survivability than T6 due to less Armor
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12/17/07, 7:41 AM
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#56
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by Shakkha
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Does anybody know if this list is still being updated? I know it's not currently up to date as of 2.3, but I do understand something like that does take time.
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12/17/07, 5:08 PM
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#57
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Banned
Tauren Druid
Ragnaros (EU)
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Originally Posted by Sodee
Does anybody know if this list is still being updated? I know it's not currently up to date as of 2.3, but I do understand something like that does take time.
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It's about fully updated. I'm gonna check once more on the new Badge rewards though. But eh, this is pretty much what you need. =)
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12/17/07, 5:37 PM
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#58
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Don Flamenco
Retired
Tauren Druid
No WoW Account
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Originally Posted by Allev
only use Juggernaut when I'm maxing my dodge
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If you are maximising dodge/avoidance, Necklace of the Deep with 2 x 8 Agility gems (if you don't have access to the 10 Agility ones) is better than Juggernaut.
Necklace of the Juggernaut
19 Agility = 1.29% dodge (1.36% with kings)
22 defense rating = 9 skill = 0.36% dodge & miss
Total Avoidance: 2.01% (2.08% with kings)
Necklace of the Deep
37 Agility = 2.52% dodge (2.72% with kings)
I assume you don't need the crit reduction from Juggernaut (since you said you use Deep + 2 x 12 Stamina normally), unless you're juggling other stuff around to get more avoidance, and losing some crit reduction which makes using Juggernaut necessary for you. But in a vaccuum, Deep has more avoidance than Juggernaut.
Btw, I'd strongly suggest [Brooch of Deftness] to you instead of Deep + 2 x 12 Stamina, it has 4 more Stamina, and I'd wager the Expertise and Hit Rating is better for threat than the 21 Agility you'd be losing. So you're trading 1.43% dodge for 4 Stamina and 3.89% less avoidance on your attacks, well worth it in my opinion.
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12/18/07, 7:37 AM
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#59
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by Edenfall
It's about fully updated. I'm gonna check once more on the new Badge rewards though. But eh, this is pretty much what you need. =)
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Yep, it is a great list... I've been using it a lot recently. However, it doesn't include ZA, the new badge gear or the Season 3 gear. I was just wondering if whoever had compiled the list was still working on it, or if it was going to stay in its current state. Regardless, whoever made it, thank you. =)
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12/18/07, 10:17 AM
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Banned
Tauren Druid
Ragnaros (EU)
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Originally Posted by Sodee
Yep, it is a great list... I've been using it a lot recently. However, it doesn't include ZA, the new badge gear or the Season 3 gear. I was just wondering if whoever had compiled the list was still working on it, or if it was going to stay in its current state. Regardless, whoever made it, thank you. =)
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I made the list, and updating it whenever I take my time. You're right, I haven't added Zul'Aman gear, basicly because this thread is about preraid gear, and ZA is a raid instance
However, I could also make a raid gear list. Feral Druid itemization in TBC is rather dull and simple. I'll have a look at it later.
Last edited by Edenfall : 12/18/07 at 11:03 AM.
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