Enhancement Cage Match: Two specs enter, One spec leaves - Page 15

Aknazer · 06/18/08, 1:53 AM

With the merging of haste/hit/crit and the supposed moving of ED to the second tier of elemental I would have to say that it will be a no brainer that ele will offer more for raw DPS than resto will.

Rhaegal · 06/18/08, 10:34 AM

While that's certainly true, it's irrelevant to this thread. The debate is (was?) between the two elemental subspecs at level 70 with level 70 gear and game mechanics. The expansion will change both the specs and the game mechanics significantly enough that this discussion will be irrelevant. In the meantime, this isn't the thread for WotLK discussion and speculation.

drats · 06/18/08, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by Rhaegal

The debate is (was?) between the two elemental subspecs at level 70 with level 70 gear and game mechanics. The expansion will change both the specs and the game mechanics significantly enough that this discussion will be irrelevant.

The basic debate between totem distance and +hit vs faster shocks/ED will still be the same. The difference is that the scales have been tipped slightly in the favor of the elemental subspec, provided the leaked talent trees don't change too much. Though there really is no point worrying about it now, since everything we talk about will be based on speculation until the beta is out.

Cronax · 06/20/08, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by drats

The basic debate between totem distance and +hit vs faster shocks/ED will still be the same. The difference is that the scales have been tipped slightly in the favor of the elemental subspec, provided the leaked talent trees don't change too much. Though there really is no point worrying about it now, since everything we talk about will be based on speculation until the beta is out.

Don't forget that as long as totem twisting is still possible, points in resto means you have points for Totemic Focus, which makes totem twisting a lot more feasible, at least in my experience. I've been totem twisting fulltime in a few runs lately and I was gagging for mana like an Arcane mage pre-int/spirit changes, untill I put 5 points in Totemic Focus, now it's actually sustainable as long as I SR every CD.

Audrix · 06/25/08, 8:29 AM

This thread never really delivered any true results. I think people got too focused on personal DPS vs group DPS. There were never any real math behind what produces the best outcome the group DPS by specing sub resto and totem twisting VS specing sub elemental and increase ones personal dps. Most posts were about personal DPS comparing 1 spec vs the other but no one analyzed the group DPS gain or lost.

People just went:

This is my spec: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

And on this parse: Wow Web Stats

It shows sub elemental is king. *

The only conclusion that was gain was that it was narrowed down to personal preference but nothing else was really concluded.

*Not a real quote. Using my real spec and parse from MH

Malan · 06/25/08, 9:54 AM

Originally Posted by Audrix

This thread never really delivered any true results. I think people got too focused on personal DPS vs group DPS. There were never any real math behind what produces the best outcome the group DPS by specing sub resto and totem twisting VS specing sub elemental and increase ones personal dps. Most posts were about personal DPS comparing 1 spec vs the other but no one analyzed the group DPS gain or lost.

You can't read or something? From my original post that started this thread:

The overarching question: Which spec produces maximum personal DPS for the enhancement shaman?

We were never talking about totem twisting and group DPS in this thread. And yes, it did deliver true results, but I don't expect you read those either.

Audrix · 06/26/08, 3:42 AM

I guess my expetations where higher than:

Originally Posted by Malan

Group consensus is that 10 yards to totems is irrelevant beyond 10man and T5 content. BT/Hyjal and beyond make almost no use of the talent

I didn't read and follow this thread from start to end. I skip throu it and mostly all I saw was WWS, personal EP values, etc. I was expecting problaby a more draw out conclussion on your 1st post therefore my statement which was not meant to be offensive in any way.

Smithist · 06/26/08, 3:01 PM

A "thread search" that took about 30 seconds yielded this post summing it up for you in just a few lines.